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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by freeflight »

snovv_crash wrote: post #269
DeathArrow wrote: post #253

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>This is for the benefit of people who live here and are struggling with 2 EUR/liter If 2 EUR/liter is too much for Germany, than it's enormous for my Eastern European country. I know we should support the war and sanctions and all those nice things, but some poor people depend on transportation for their living. If it costs too much, they might not be able to work. Already surges in food prices and utilities prices…

Germany is a rich country with poor people.

Easy fix, just don't count the poor people [0]

[0] https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/der-geschoente-armutsbe...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by pph »

dgellow wrote: post #301
Havoc wrote: post #43

Wild - that gets me barely a days worth of tube travel in london (6.5 EUR a day)

Hamburg Sbahn/Ubahn are the same price, ~6.50€ for the daily ticket. The 9€ ticket is a no-brainer!

The whole day ticket actually costs 8.20€, the after 9am ticket 6.90€ (for the zones AB / city area)

If you're commuting and have monthly ticket it will cost 93.70€ (AB), though you might get around with a cheaper ticket if you're living in the center (zone 000).

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Post by usr1106 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #333
smlacy wrote: post #323

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I'm not sure what "Wait at location because there was no better train" means? Are you massuming a 3h40m trip for a specific time-based appointment? I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important.

Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

> even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

That's the pessimist's view. The optimist wanders around and randomly finds a place they would never have found otherwise. I mostly do the first. Sometimes I find something truly interesting. Sometimes not, but I don't think the unproductivity you mention has harmed me. (Yes, occasionally I absolutely have to hack something, so I search the first place where I can use my laptop. But I try to avoid that in all but the most familiar cities.)

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Post by jyounker »

2143 wrote: post #364
rootsandstones wrote: post #297

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In 2021 91.9 percent of the trains in Switzerland were on time (tolerance is 3 minutes) Source: https://news.sbb.ch/artikel/109510/puenktlichkeit-2021-zweit...

What about buses? Are they also super-punctual?

Yes. All jokes about Swiss punctuality are true.

I say this as someone who lived in Zurich for two years.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by usr1106 »

kuschku wrote: post #216
jstummbillig wrote: post #179

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

Actually, the Hamburg-Berlin IRE should be covered by this ticket as well, which requires no changes at all.

IRE trains are extremely rare. They have never been a regular product, but results of local political bargaining after the popular IR trains were discontinued ages ago.

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Post by snickerer »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #338
foepys wrote: post #199

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Over 75% of Germans live in cities or towns which overwhelmingly have reliable bus transit at least at daytime. Those remaining <25% are not really important here and can still use their cars.

> Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.

I see three points in your post:

1. You want to tell something 'unrelated to this topic'. That's a bad idea because it clutters our discussions. I assume you have some inner pressure and strong emotions about the windmill topic and want to release it.

2. You're picking on city people. They don't notice the decrease of forests because they don't see it when they look out of the window?

3. You are telling us that the decline of the forests in Germany are caused by… windmills? Really? That's so wrong that I don't know where to start to explain.

I don't know where the hatred against windmills or against 'city people' comes from. But its origin is certainly not windmills.

We need the windmills to fight the decline of the forests, you know. And to fight mass extinction. We need the windmills to avert the demise of many species. Including our own.

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Post by usr1106 »

newaccount74 wrote: post #369
lucioperca wrote: post #251

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As usual in big cities you need to add the time for walking to your car and for finding a parking space in the end.

And add 30 minutes that you are stuck in downtown traffic because your meeting starts at an inconvenient time. I can't speak for all of Europe, but here in Austria trains, trams, and subways are way more predictable than taking the car. Sure, sometimes there are delays, but 99% of the time you get to your destination on schedule. When you drive you always have the risk of random delays due to traffic.

Deutsche Bahn is very far from 99% punctuality. Statistics were published only recently and they pointed down once again. But to be fair going by car is hardly better, you can get stuck more or less unexpectedly in most somewhat busy places.

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Post by jupp0r »

IMTDb wrote: post #316
jstummbillig wrote: post #179

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly . Car trip will look like: 1. Travel from start to location (3:20) 2. Find parking (0:5) 3. Walk from parking to location (0:10) Total time of 3:35 Your train trip will look like: 1. Go from start t…

You are making the assumption that it's one person traveling. If I imagine me traveling with my family, then the tradeoffs would look quite different:

1. There's only one driver in the car, so all other passengers could still work/read during the drive.

2. The cost is split. With three kids and two parents, the cost would be 45 EUR vs 50 EUR traveling with a somewhat fuel efficient car with an internal combustion engine. This is only fuel price and deprecation of the car is not accounted for and would be more.

3. The stress of switching trains multiple times with small kids, putting clothes on in the cold, making sure they don't bump into people, etc can totally negate any "you don't have to navigate traffic" benefits.

4. You usually don't travel from main railway station in city A to main railway station in city B. Getting to your actual destination can also be a slow and complicated affair with public transportation, especially in conjunction with 5.

5. Luggage can be problematic. If you are traveling with children, moving multiple heavy suitcases from one train to another while simultaneously taking care of kids can be a nightmare.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by jyounker »

mbg721 wrote: post #281
soco wrote: post #205

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And yet, it is true. Not everywhere trains obviously, but you'll have bus links to every dump - at least 5-6 a day and the closer you get to civilization the more often (up to every half an hour or whenever you have the train to the nearby station). They do come within a few minutes of schedule, no legend here - sometimes they even come a bit earlier and sometimes also wait hehe. Edit: my village has trains to the ma…

I'm from a medium-sized city on the US midwest, so my experience is that bus drivers sometimes decide "Fuck it, I'm not coming today," on a route where the schedule says they should be there every 30 minutes. I think most Americans outside of large cities have a similar experience. I was really struck going on vacation to San Francisco how together the bus schedule was, compared to how "meh" laid-back the city instit…

> I was really struck going on vacation to San Francisco how together the bus schedule was,

Wow. Things must have improved incredibly in the last ten years.

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