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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nikodunk »

doyougnu wrote: post #340

I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

Agreed! Got one from work, and it's a beast on Fedora 36 with the 11th gen. Even the discrete-ish Iris Xe graphics are surprisingly fast. So cool that we'll actually be able to update the innards in a few years as necessary to keep it feeling fresh.

Edit: A small but nice design feature is the light that comes on to imply whether the usb-c port is charging properly. Coming from a mac that removed this feature when usb-c charging was introduced, this is a huge luxury.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by philistine »

kibwen wrote: post #347
wollsmoth wrote: post #341

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You can basically do this with macs if you still use the usb-c charger. Even with the new ones they still charge through those ports on either side. But yeah, being able to swap those ports is great. I'm feeling the pain of having only 1 hdmi out on my laptop and the ability to just add one on sounds amazing.

Do Macs still favor charging via the USB-C ports on the right side? IIRC charging on the left caused overheating/throttling. I'd be interested to know if the Framework also favors a specific port for charging.

This sounds like a thing that happened on the Intel ones. The M1 laptops have a large cooling overhead that would render the point moot.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by deepsun »

Used it for half a year. All works awesome, but I don't know how to update firmwares on my Linux Mint/Ubuntu. There are some guidelines on website, but they don't seem official, and say something like "you may need to fix your bootloader after" which sounds scary that I'll break my perfectly working system.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by redconfetti »

nrp wrote: post #94
aestetix wrote: post #81

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Can existing customers "trade in" their old motherboards for the newer models, with credit applied to make it cheaper?

We don't do trade-ins, but we have released projects to enable re-use of old Mainboards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard We're seeing some interesting outputs of that: https://github.com/brickbots/framedeck/ https://github.com/penk/MainboardTerminal

It would be nice if older Framework hardware could be donated to some form of charity.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by philistine »

k8sToGo wrote: post #346
wollsmoth wrote: post #341

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You can basically do this with macs if you still use the usb-c charger. Even with the new ones they still charge through those ports on either side. But yeah, being able to swap those ports is great. I'm feeling the pain of having only 1 hdmi out on my laptop and the ability to just add one on sounds amazing.

Isn't there an issue if you plug in on the wrong side? I remember something about CPU and throttling.

That was the Intel models.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jameshart »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #239
cowtools wrote: post #218

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besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

For some people, High-DPI displays are the type of upgrade that you don't notice until you've been using it for a while and have to switch back to the old technology. I was also fine with lower resolutions for years because that was the only option. After using high-DPI displays for a couple years, I can't stand working on old low-DPI monitors for long periods of time. It's similar to how we were all happy with our m…

When I use a machine with a spinning rust drive, my brain keeps interrupting me: "Why is this computer clicking?"

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by KptMarchewa »

kibwen wrote: post #347
wollsmoth wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can basically do this with macs if you still use the usb-c charger. Even with the new ones they still charge through those ports on either side. But yeah, being able to swap those ports is great. I'm feeling the pain of having only 1 hdmi out on my laptop and the ability to just add one on sounds amazing.

Do Macs still favor charging via the USB-C ports on the right side? IIRC charging on the left caused overheating/throttling. I'd be interested to know if the Framework also favors a specific port for charging.

That was an intel mac thing.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by anonporridge »

garettmd wrote: post #345
anonporridge wrote: post #316

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It looks like you currently can't order without Windows bundled. Will there be an option to order the kit without Windows for a reduced price?

There's an option to order without any OS installed

Hmm. It seems like the homepage link to the DIY order was incorrectly directing to the prebuilt option. But it's fixed now.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by lhl »

chrisseaton wrote: post #76
capableweb wrote: post #17

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> Any news on plans for AMD models? This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.

Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?

For me personally, my preference primarily comes down to extreme differences in low-intensity/idle power usage of Ryzen 6000 vs Intel 12th gen. There aren't true "apples to apples" (same chassis/model, but AMD vs Intel) comparisons yet, although those should be coming in the next month or so, but here's an example of how efficient the Ryzen 6000s are: https://youtu.be/3bSetglEPOY?t=170

For people that need to use their devices on the go, I think it's a no brainer to prefer a Ryzen 6000 vs Intel.

The RDNA2-based Radeon 680M iGPU also significantly outperforms the (admittedly, much improved) Intel Xe iGPUs in 3D rendering. In synthetics, the new Radeon iGPUs are going head to head with Nvidia 1650 Max-Q dGPUs. This probably doesn't much matter if you aren't doing any gaming, but if you are, it means you can play most modern titles reasonably on the road in a thin and light form factor without giving up any battery life when you aren't.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by rgoulter »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #199
CarVac wrote: post #15

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Is there any way a hobbyist can make a custom one that would fit?

The problem is mainly getting switches (and their keycaps) that are thin enough. All the switches that are available to be used by hobbyists (Cherry MX, Kailh Choc...) are way too thick.

I'd hope for a thicker laptop frame, then.

I think a frame thick enough for PCB + Chocs would then allow both a premium mechanical keyboard in a standard shape, as well as allowing for swapping this out for whatever more niche arrangements.

Whereas, for a thin, non-mechanical keyboard, the manufacturing cost would be too high to be feasible for anything but standard, presumably.

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