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Many software companies are a joke

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Re: Many software companies are a joke

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Post by bozobuttz »

_8j50 wrote: post #344

I work in infosec and I have seen this problem quite a bit but not at every company. An advice I received early on was "better to ask forgiveness than permission". So what I do once in a while is, if there is a major problem and the bureaucrats want to strangle it or play games like this, I just quietly do all the work and say "he, look! It's done!" Some will get a bit upset and inevitably my done work takes months t…

I work in a devops role, and I also have the flexibility to work on fixing things that management does not deem a priority, typically when I get bored with my assigned tasks. I am much more motivated when things actually get done vs. revisiting the same problem over and over.

Re: Many software companies are a joke

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Post by deterministic »

Beltiras wrote: post #368
deterministic wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most successful software company I have worked for used your “pizza-box” model all the time. With 150+ developers. It worked extremely well. The worst software company I have ever worked for spend 95% of its time documenting things and 5% of its time implementing things. It took forever to get anything done.

Somewhere betwixt those a happy medium lies

Not my experience at all (25+ years of experience working for companies in 5 different countries). However YMMV of course.

Re: Many software companies are a joke

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Post by mrcartmeneses »

_notathrowaway wrote: post #159
mrcartmeneses wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ So the game is no longer about building stuff efficiently. It's about raking in as much money as you can for as long as you can and every inefficiency that justifies further work is actually best friend of everybody involved.” You’re describing the goals of the individual becoming divergent from the goals of the company. In the article the writer described his team’s goals at the VFX software company as being well…

Well, there is that, but you know, the countless murdering of their own people did not help either.

I don’t think the two concepts are separate. The depths to which some people will stoop only goes as low as their accountability.

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Post by ratww »

avereveard wrote: post #370
ratww wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m always up for a productive discussion, but there are two paragraphs of text before the one you’re childishly replying to, which you dishonestly chose to ignore in order to make a childish personal attack. Just like you chose to ignore the qualifiers written in the article in your original post. Sorry, but you don't get to cry foul and say you're being "dragged to court" when you're caught misquoting and then misr…

> you’re childishly replying to, which you dishonestly chose to ignore in order to make a childish personal attack Jesus who's doing the personal attacks here?

Once again you chose to selectively ignore most of the message and edit it to focus on a part you can use to paint me in the worse possible light. Similar to how you did with your original post. Your only tactic in this discussion is to selectively quote people to make them look worse. You are indeed acting like a child in this discussion.

And, no: that’s not a personal attack, as I’m talking about your acts, not yourself.

Once again I’m up for any discussion, but that won’t matter as you ignore anything that can’t be used to make your interlocutor look stupid. You sir haven’t argued in good faith. You began this whole thing with a bad faith misquote, and when you couldn’t do it anymore you began to cry foul, while at the same time criticizing me for doing so. And that’s the only thing you’ve done so far: acting in bad faith.

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Post by avereveard »

ratww wrote: post #374
avereveard wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you’re childishly replying to, which you dishonestly chose to ignore in order to make a childish personal attack Jesus who's doing the personal attacks here?

Once again you chose to selectively ignore most of the message and edit it to focus on a part you can use to paint me in the worse possible light. Similar to how you did with your original post. Your only tactic in this discussion is to selectively quote people to make them look worse. You are indeed acting like a child in this discussion. And, no: that’s not a personal attack, as I’m talking about your acts, not you…

> Once again I’m up for any discussion

really? beacuse it appears from the last six or so messages you're only interested in dissecting words, ignoring whatever meaning is therein contained, and you're only available to debate the single topic that you picked, which today appears to be wether making summaries is allowed or not while presenting an argument, and are prepared to just diss and dismiss anything unless it falls exactly in your extremely narrow debate window.

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Post by dairylee »

modo_mario wrote: post #271
dairylee wrote: post #80

> I remember we would choose to work overtime due our addiction to the problem we were solving Oof, sounds like the author is the joke.

Why? From his description it sounds like he enjoyed it and that's probably the best kind of work. I've spent more time on tooling for myself than i got out of it in saved time and learned a ton without pay. Alternatively i'd have been paying a match of a videogame that i'd have forgotten about by and probably regretted now. These past days I spent a lot of time doing research into and designing an own keyboard at hom…

> Why? From his description it sounds like he enjoyed it and that's probably the best kind of work.

The work will still be there for him the next day, there's no need to work overtime on it.

Re: Many software companies are a joke

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Post by ratww »

avereveard wrote: post #375
ratww wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again you chose to selectively ignore most of the message and edit it to focus on a part you can use to paint me in the worse possible light. Similar to how you did with your original post. Your only tactic in this discussion is to selectively quote people to make them look worse. You are indeed acting like a child in this discussion. And, no: that’s not a personal attack, as I’m talking about your acts, not you…

> Once again I’m up for any discussion really? beacuse it appears from the last six or so messages you're only interested in dissecting words, ignoring whatever meaning is therein contained, and you're only available to debate the single topic that you picked, which today appears to be wether making summaries is allowed or not while presenting an argument, and are prepared to just diss and dismiss anything unless it…

Changing the meaning of a phrase to the point it becomes a strawman is not "making summaries".
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