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When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by brothir »

ripley12 wrote: post #360
brothir wrote: post #353

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This is dishonest. The issue did go the way he wanted to, it's how the team responded to it that is the issue. And how is Casey the narcissist when the OP started a pure vent post and had to backtrack it, and who should you blame for being exhausted given that?

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But I'm not angry, and I have to create my first account one way or another. Am I not allowed to create my first account because I want to respond to a contentious topic? Is you saying what you're saying not just selective bias? And do you have an actual counterpoint?

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by phendrenad2 »

DHowett wrote: post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

Okay look, you've probably stopped reading comments at this point and have thrown your Hacker News password into the ocean. But just in case you haven't, here's how to fix this: Just go away. You're clearly not sorry at all, so the best thing you can do, for your own sake, is to stop trying to fool everyone into thinking that you're sorry. We're too smart for that. Just go radio silent and have someone else do PR for your team from now on. In a few years everyone will have forgotten about this incident, and you can start posting again.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by buttercraft »

twobitshifter wrote: post #343
buttercraft wrote: post #295

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How is “we hope you accept our apology” not an apology?

Try replacing apology with other words. Its like an email that says “attached”, but there’s no attachment.

I'm not following. It's not the same at all. The apology is right there.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by [deleted] »

phaistra wrote: post #347
bena wrote: post #326

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He was wrong in how he approached the team. Everyone lacks tact in this exchange.

Just because you don't think he was polite to some arbitrary standard does not make him wrong. If people are this sensitive to "tone" and "tact" about technical matters, then we (as a community I guess) have much deeper issues then the technical matters themselves.

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by oofbey »

starburst wrote: post #278
oofbey wrote: post #271

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This is so insulting to Casey, he does his instructional videos for the world to see and educate a new generation of programmers about how to make a game completely from scratch. This isn't his full-time jobs. This isn't some streamer trying to gather new audience by brewing up drama.

Good for him. Sounds worthwhile. I'd be more inclined to watch him or recommend him based on that instead of learning of his existence by him yelling "I told you so!" in reaction to the kind of thing that happens every day in large software projects.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by dmitriid »

lhecker wrote: post #355
thaway2839 wrote: post #280

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Removing a credit or a reference is probably the worst way to add succintness to an article. It's literally saying "the contributions of people whose work I based my work on is less important than the least useful sentence in describing my work".

I'm not sure editing the article would be the proper thing to do at this point. Someone else suggested to edit in 1-2 weeks for possible future readers. I can add back the sentence where I accredit Alacritty for the general, underlying algorithm/idea then, because that's where I heard about it first. There isn't really any other alternative, performant way to implement GPU-accelerated terminals, so I don't think hear…

> I'm not sure editing the article would be the proper thing to do at this point. Someone else suggested to edit in 1-2 weeks for possible future readers.

There's nothing improper with adding "Edit: credit to the who suggested the solution. While the solution seems trivial, there are certain technical challenges to overcome".

> because that's where I heard about it first.

No. That's not where you heard it first. Otherwise you wouldn't have written "this needs doctoral research on performance" in the original issue.

Edit: I misattributed this quote, you didn't say it.

> I don't think hearing about it again from Casey

There's an actual, verifiable screenshot of your reaction to his words. That was not an "again".

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by lallysingh »

scotty79 wrote: post #52
lallysingh wrote: post #38

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"We admit this feature began with a kerfuffle we caused in the summer of 2021. When confronted with being told our rendering pipeline had terrible performance, we turned inward. We relied on our existing experiences and we leaned heavily on our partner teams’ work to conclude the DirectWrite general purpose renderer was the best fit for our product. We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to th…

Maybe it's a non-native speaker thing, but "I hope you'll accept my apology." makes me think "Maybe I will, maybe I won't, depends on what apology you are going to make ... So where is it?"

It's halfway. In my book, MS did a half-assed, semi-asshole-style token apology. It was indirect enough that you need to know English quite well to see the actual apology.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by phendrenad2 »

lhecker wrote: post #355
thaway2839 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing a credit or a reference is probably the worst way to add succintness to an article. It's literally saying "the contributions of people whose work I based my work on is less important than the least useful sentence in describing my work".

I'm not sure editing the article would be the proper thing to do at this point. Someone else suggested to edit in 1-2 weeks for possible future readers. I can add back the sentence where I accredit Alacritty for the general, underlying algorithm/idea then, because that's where I heard about it first. There isn't really any other alternative, performant way to implement GPU-accelerated terminals, so I don't think hear…

Sometimes logic isn't enough. YOU caused a huge amount of anger among the community by being condescending, and insisting "I learned this from alacritty, not the person I was condescending towards" isn't going to make anyone less angry. I'm just telling it like it is here. Humility is, unfortunately, what you need, and you can't fake humility.
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