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Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik »

Coding_Cat wrote: post #290
JonathanMerklin wrote: post #33

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I'm not sure if "click" is intentional wordplay or not, but if it isn't, the word is "clique" FYI. I'm also strongly of the opinion that tying core business functionality and information transfer to a third-party chat application is a massive footgun, and other than the fact that I use it out of business needs and not just for voice, I think s/Discord/Slack/g applies. I've both heard Discord described as "Slack for h…

I use Discord a lot and I agree that it's bad to use it for anything that you can't afford to suddenly lose (though people still use Google and Paypal too). I do think a modern chat app is a value-add for fast moving (tech) companies. It is a nice hybrid between sending an email or knocking on someones door for a chat. And as for the 'chat commands', they're usually just thin wrappers around the UNIX style tool. It's…

> However, I still wouldn't use it professionaly. the lack of self-hosting (privacy) and archival(bots can solve this pretty easilly) and restricting DMs (see slacks previous issues) makes Discord unsuitable.

Slack doesn’t have a self hosted option either. This doesn’t stop literally every company on it from using it. This argument is a purist mentality. At some point you have to use someone else’s servers, or invent everything yourself.

Self hosting doesn’t even give you control, the app owner can easily put command and control software in the server image and still do whatever they want. Don’t pay your license fee? Good luck getting the keys to your encrypted data store.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik »

donmcronald wrote: post #314
urthor wrote: post #297

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Out of curiosity, why? Seems fairly simple to perform simple keyword searching, just like Slack.

The biggest problem is a lack of threading. I can often find questions matching mine, but the answers are impossible to search for because a lot of replies won't ever @ the question asker. So I'm left skimming an entire channel that includes 50 other things that I don't care about at the moment. The sheer volume can be overwhelming too. I went on the Zenith (VR MMO) Discord the day after release to ask a question and…

> The biggest problem is a lack of threading. I can often find questions matching mine, but the answers are impossible to search for because a lot of replies won't ever @ the question asker.

And what if they don’t click the thread button? You’re back in the same problem. So the issue isn’t with discord, it’s with users.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik »

wyclif wrote: post #301
urthor wrote: post #297

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Out of curiosity, why? Seems fairly simple to perform simple keyword searching, just like Slack.

Sure, you can keyword search easily enough, but the information you might be looking for is sometimes scattered over dozens of channels.

You can do a server wide search. Did you mean spread across servers?

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik »

antifa wrote: post #328
urthor wrote: post #297

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Out of curiosity, why? Seems fairly simple to perform simple keyword searching, just like Slack.

Usually you won't know what server it will be in, and usually you'll be searching from google.

User convos on discord are (thankfully) not indexed by google, so how? Did you also know google search devices are a thing and you can implement google search in your produce quite easily?

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Post by jeroenhd »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #357
jeroenhd wrote: post #190

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Is composer a problem for shared hosts? Not that I would ever want to subject myself to shared hosting again, but I'm pretty sure you can run composer on your local machine to install the dependencies and then copy everything over, right? You've got to pay attention to what PHP modules are or aren't available on your shared host, but usually that's not too big of a problem.

I never thought of doing like you said. I've tried composer in a few shared, and it's been a hit or miss.

I've started doing my composer installs offline when I foolishly tried to deploy a decently sized PHP project to a VPS with "only" 2GiB of RAM. For some obscure reason Composer eats RAM like it's cake and I couldn't get it to complete fast enough on the server itself.

Composer on shared hosts is a challenge, mostly involving retrying until it works. That's why I fetch most dependencies locally. Sometimes I mess with the dependencies a bit when a specific dependency requires information about how the operating system is configured, but most of the time that's not necessary.

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Post by anonymoushn »

ipaddr wrote: post #337
kitsunesoba wrote: post #278

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In my experience Slack just doesn’t work as well as Discord does, generally speaking. It’s good enough to put up with for work chat, but the bar for the general public is higher.

Slack works better for finding information as bad as it is at that.

If you join an open source project's slack server, you really hope that the information you want is in the most recent 10,000 messages.

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Post by anonymoushn »

tekknik wrote: post #360
ipaddr wrote: post #337

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Slack works better for finding information as bad as it is at that.

How? I look through my discord search settings and it’s pretty straightforward. I search for something a friend posted some months back and found it pretty easy. The only difficult part is knowing which server it’s on.

Discord uses default elasticsearch settings for search, so almost every word belongs to an equivalence class of synonyms and conjugations that are often not equivalent or mutually relevant in technical usage (for gaming-related use or for work-related use!), multi-word phrase search is impossible, searches including words in the stopword list are impossible, searches including programming language syntax are impossible, etc. "ide" is a fish or an Integrated Development Environment but belongs to the same equivalence class as "i'd" (contraction of "I had" or "I would", mysteriously NOT on the stopword list!) or "id" (part of the mind in Freudian psychoanalytic theory). If you go to a server concerned with programming, psychoanalysis, or fishing, and you search for "ide" or "id" you probably weren't looking for every single time anyone ever said "i'd."

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Post by continuational »

Zababa wrote: post #270
opdahl wrote: post #7

What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

Discord is also great for people that don't mind having just one identity on the internet. There is basically no support for multi account, so your account for talking with your friends, taking classes and finding information on that video game is the same. Lots of people seem to not mind doing that, but I've always thought that this was terrible if you want to protect your identity online.

Hey, sorry for replying off topic.

We had a discussion on Firefly earlier, and I've just written the first small peice of Firefly documentation, introducing the new capability-based async/await inference: https://www.ahnfelt.net/async-await-inference-in-firefly/

You said to reach out by email, but it's not showing up for me on your profile. If you're interested, there's also a draft on part 2 here: https://www.ahnfelt.net/p/ce19cc5c-d18c-452f-86c3-85a920e748...

Thank you :)

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by password4321 »

charcircuit wrote: post #349
password4321 wrote: post #174

I use Discord in the browser. There is no way I'm aware of to tell which 'server' the notification sound came from, making the sound a completely useless annoyance.

It should tell you in the notification that will also show up along with the channel name, person, and message.

I do not enable desktop notifications, it's just playing the sound in the browser tab. If there is some other pop-up inside the browser tab I've never noticed it.
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