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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

> We’re at a very bad place in American discourse. Well, the internet connected into a billion+ audience in last 20 years. We didn't have the ability to give a megaphone to every crackpot ~20 years ago. You'd have to physically rally people behind you, literally on the road to get your movement going. Now, Big Tech will gladly serve you that priviledge for a pretty penny off of clicks. And so will the media. The natu…

It was a weird feeling when the news started to report on popular YouTube videos and later social media posts. More lately social media TRENDS.

The media landscape has become so strange in the past decade.

The more I think about it, advertising and more abstractly, corporatism, are really to blame.

How many of the “video games are violent and bad” or “Marilyn Manson is the devil” people were there really in 90’s early 2000’s? Starbucks hates Christmas people in the late 2000’s/early 2010’s?

Were they just amplified by the media? Is social media and the internet really to blame or did they just exploit a greedy industry already broken by years of mergers and acquisitions by conglomerates who already weren’t keen on spending on journalism?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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post #186

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…

I'd like to second this. While I didn't follow Rogan to Spotify, he had an interesting guest every week or two and a guest every weekday.

Considering that most podcasts I listen to release weekly or even less often, that's pretty good.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.

> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…

That just dilutes the definition to the point of being meaningless. You will find very few bookstores with a section devoted to extremist treatises and manifestos. That is not censorship in any conventional sense of the word.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

The First Amendment protects us from the government censoring speech. It is not a prohibition on private companies removing content or private citizens demanding the removal of speech they disapprove of. The fact that this discourse can happen in the open is proof that free speech exists and is in force. If the Biden administration could control speech they could ban anyone suggesting anything other than the official…

It is disturb that a least one person in the administration seems to have encouraged this.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

How Rogan manages to publish without fact checking and gets away with it amazes me. His free speech is fine, but falsehoods are not.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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post #136

I think this will lead to outcome that few people cheering for this are anticipating. Musk, Thiel etc. will back an alternative platform that will host JRE, Lex, Jordan Peterson etc. and in the long term it will win due to being less restrictive. Which in the long term is prob a positive thing.

Keep waiting for a saviour billionaire to align with your views and you'll end up disappointed, again and again.

After living first part of my life in USSR I would prefer a dominant platform to be with minimal restrictions. Large platforms need capital so billionaire or crowdfunding or some crypto project or whatever else eventually this demand for least restrictive platform to exist will be met by some project.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

Large numbers of laypeople mistaking Joe Rogan for a researcher and JRE as a venue for scientific discussion is not a sign of healthy public discourse. It is a sign of low levels of scientific engagement and scientific literacy among the public. Neil Postman warned us about this risk back in the 80s. He saw that the repackaging of serious subjects to fit the audiovisual medium would erode the boundaries between information and entertainment and create a dangerously misinformed public.

Joe Rogan is an entertainer. He is not a researcher, and the JRE is not a forum for scientific discussion. Mistaking entertainment for science is a strong sign that you need to deepen your engagement with scientific material outside of the audiovisual entertainment medium.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I did a rough tally of the 70 removed episodes: Comedian: 45, Political Commentator/Media Personality: 8, Brian Redban: 5, Health/Fitness: 2, Scientist: 2, Author: 2, Musician: 1, Pornstar: 1, (MMA) Fight Companion: 1, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Kevin Smith, Cliffy B & Johnny Cristo (can't even figure out who these last two are)

I heard comedians have a hard time doing shows on University campuses these days. The huge amount of comedian episodes being removed seems consistent with that trend.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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I'm curious if he said the n-word in any of the episodes. The Rock just announced on Twitter some news about finding out just how much Joe Rogan used that slur. News spreads fast in Hollywood circles. Maybe Spotify is trying to get ahead of the curve before any more controversies break out.

I downloaded a transcripts of a subset (a dozen or so) of deleted and grepped. None of the ones I searched contained the word.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government outsourcing censorship to businesses doesn’t make it less wrong.

Was any government involved in any way here?

White House announced to Spotify that "more could be done" about Rogan.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

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