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Neither. Lots of bounty hunters have come out threatening to go public if Apple doesn't patch fix / pay them.

Why haven’t they then? Or at least sold them already to one of the Israeli firms?

If the sold them to a private company we wouldn't know about it.

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You may disallow app access to notifications if you want to check it only on your schedule. But not having access to notifications hinderes main function of messaging apps - delivering messages to you. It is frankly shocking to me how many people fail to understand that. "I don't like push notifications, it means nobody needs them"

Yes, I do not want to have to disable them per app or even being asked if want to enable them.

For this, there is a system-wide 'do not disturb' mode.

It is actually shocking to me that some people have this extremely narrow view of this problem. There are huge classes of applications that absolutely require immediate notification of the user, but here people just handwaive this as a non-issue because "I don't like to be disturbed".

How about a doctor called for an operation? Your car being robbed? Incoming bank payment? New ride request for a taxi driver? Disaster notification? VoIP call? A soccer game beginning? Billions of uses you just discard because you don't want it. Gross.

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If Chrome’s battery drain vs Safari on MacOS is an indication of how it’ll be on iOS then I’ll pass

That's fine. But don't take away my freedom to decide that for myself.

You seem to have already decided by buying an iPhone though

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What does this change?

It’s not dominant because of any inherent trait of Android besides it’s price.

I don't think you understand how this works. It's dominant. Just because you think iphone is better doesn't mean it's not dominant.

Classic Tesla fanboy logic

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The device has to be unlocked, and non-Xcode builds require connecting the device to the computer using a cable. So it’s not as trivial as it seems.

I actually forgot that Xcode could install wirelessly! To me, unlocking the device and connecting it to the computer (which could be a mac mini next to my bed) is completely trivial. It really doesn't get much easier.

I love the logical gymnastics you iphone fanboys go through to make your views fit the world we live in.

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Not true. Apple places a 7 day limit on developer mode side loaded apps when using a free account. Sorry to link to Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sideloaded/comments/8ht5uy/question...

It'd be pretty trivial to throw together some automation that reinstalls your sideloaded apps nightly.

It's not. You obviously never really developed anything using both xcode, the automated xcode build tooling, or an iPhone before.

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Pretty much all Apple has to do to keep apps in App Store in the face of competition is drop their fees to less than 10% for all apps and drop bullshit like "you can't even link to your website if it lets users pay from there", and almost everyone except the most brazen will stay on App Store. We'll see what actually happens but I personally I doubt that Apple values user experience more than it values gouging develo…

>Pretty much all Apple has to do to keep apps in App Store in the face of competition is drop their fees to less than 10% for all apps and drop bullshit like "you can't even link to your website if it lets users pay from there", and almost everyone except the most brazen will stay on App Store. Exactly. Apple would have to actually... compete. I suppose I can understand why this fills them with dread, but they have a…

Why should Apple compete with third parties on the value of licensing Apple intellectual property?

Maybe I should be allowed to sell my own licenses to Unreal Engine. I’m sure I can undercut Epic’s prices.

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Apple makes some on the sale of hardware, but does not charge end users for software updates after then. Unlike google it actually supports that hardware. The support costs money. You're right that unity wasn't a great example though. A better example would be the xbox, playstation, switch, etc. The alternative model is you sell out your users, like google does.

> You're right that unity wasn't a great example though. A better example would be the xbox, playstation, switch, etc. Not really. Gaming consoles are usually sold at loss. "The reason game consoles end up being profitable is through a combination of software, service, and accessory sales, but it's still surprising to find Microsoft has never achieved hardware profitability" https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-says-…

The business model shouldn’t decide what’s legal. If it’s legal for Sony, it should be legal for Apple.

Or if you disagree, fine. What’s the threshold? How does the Government acquire the information to determine if enforcement is necessary? What happens if the PS5 console, later in its life, is ever sold for a profit?

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To those who say that if I don't sideload then this change won't affect me, I don't think this is true. Just because there aren't many alternative app stores on Android doesn't mean it won't happen on iOS. Developers will do this if there is a financial incentive. This is a forced fragmentation of the App store and will do absolutely nothing to improve the experience of a normal, non-HN-reading end user. This will in…

> Just because there aren't many alternative app stores on Android doesn't mean it won't happen on iOS. This is all just conjecture. You don't have proof that it will happen to iOS.

If it doesn’t then what would have been the point?
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