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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:19 PM UTC

no1lives4ever wrote: post #358

amrrs wrote: post #169

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I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

Maybe it is time to get a new job. These days there is a big shortage of tech talent and deserving candidates can get very good pay in India. The typical trick is to apply for and interview to as many companies as you can. Get a good offer and put in your papers. Given that most companies have a 2-3 month notice period, once you are on notice, you can continue applying for jobs and shop around. The funded startups in…

2-3 month notice?! Holy shit, is this really standard?

In the US, it's univerally 2 weeks.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by skeeter2020 » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:20 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #194

intpx wrote: post #102

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I recently went through a round of interviews for a job where strong communication skills are vital. One interview was just me responding to simulated emails in a shared google doc so the interviewer could see me work through the responses. In addition to witnessing my real time edits, I guess they also had the benefit of a higher level of confidence that the product was my actual work effort.

Dear lord, that sounds horrible. I understand the reasoning, but corresponding with people — especially in formal settings — makes me anxious, and I end up composing and re-composing (and sometimes re-re-composing) a lot of my messages. The end result isn't bad, but if I were being watched and graded in real time I'm pretty sure I'd fail.

this sounds closer to pairing, which IS a real-world skill & experience for many jobs, than your typical white-board programming nonsense.

As far as your technique, drafting then editing down is a totally legit way to write. I wish more people did that!

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by munk-a » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:20 PM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #142

908B64B197 wrote: post #118

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> "My wife wrote all of those." There was a place that hired a consultant for a project a friend worked on, and she was... I don't think she could write code at all. Like, had trouble manually inserting fragments into an XML file despite fragments with the same structure already being in the file. Her productivity skyrocketed at night however, and she generally had working code in the morning, which lead to rumors th…

>She wore a hijab and the company had just hired its first “diversity officer” so maybe that’s why At what point does forced diversity hiring become a perverse incentive, with regards to needing to run a company with qualified individuals regardless of affiliation? (This may be a cynical question, but I'm not trolling. I'm aware that there are tangible benefits to more diversity. What I'm wondering if there's some ca…

I can say this as someone with ADHD, neurodiversity specifically allows me to approach problems in radically different manners than my coworkers which sometimes makes things an absolute cake walk for me and sometimes makes them nearly insurmountable. This is a result of my approach to problem solving which has been trained on the problems I've experienced in the past and my natural disposition. I think an entirely homogeneous company would have issues with tunnel vision - they might be excellent at dealing with some issues and absolutely flabbergasted with others... having a more diverse team ensures that you've got more varied experiences to draw on when approaching problems.

Aside from all that, I think that diversity makes teams more healthy to work within - if everyone looks the same (straight white male) you're likely going to have cliquish social assumptions form in your team that will prevent you from hiring an excellent candidate that doesn't happen to fit the mold and might force out people who aren't what they appear: trans men, gay men and asians that appear white. As a company it's important to keep your workplace friendly to all potential employees and having a homogeneous company makes it more likely that a closed off social culture will form that makes life difficult for new employees.

I have never seen any studies to support this but thought I'd add at least a well reasoned opinion.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by goodcanadian » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:22 PM UTC

bityard wrote: post #315

cercatrova wrote: post #141

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There is a whole community about this called Overemployed [0]. Their reddit posts are quite entertaining, like this guy who works 5 jobs and is making 1.2 million a year [1]. [0] https://overemployed.com/ [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/s12c8l/i_star...

Man, I am kinda shocked not so much that this is a thing but seems to be a bona fide _movement_. It's highly interesting but my one job keeps me more than busy enough, thankyouverymuch. Edit: A few other thoughts I had since hitting submit: 1. It feels to me like the most challenging part of living a double working life is making sure your mandatory meetings at each job don't conflict. I wonder how people get around…

3. I believe there are a few places in the tax code where there is a difference between having a full-time job and a part-time job, are there any areas where you would have to lie to the govt when you have multiple full-time jobs?

Assuming US-centric. The one that comes to mind is your W-4 for each employer. If you fill it out correctly, it will be a big red flag to your employer. If you pretend like you only have the one job, it could potentially land you in trouble with the IRS as there will be nowhere near enough tax withheld. You might get away with it, anyway, as long as you paid taxes in full and on time, but you might have to pay taxes in installments. They don't like you to owe too much at the end of the year.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by greggman3 » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:22 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #227

quickthrower2 wrote: post #210

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This is why we can't have nice things. Or in other words, why we must usually do a coding test per company we apply for, and not just 'point them at the Github'.

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This is ridiculous. It might be true that there are many great developers that have nothing on github but it is certinaly not true that "actual best developers have little or nothing to point to on github".

There are plenty of "actual best developers" who have prolific amounts of stuff on github, directly or indirectly.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by no1lives4ever » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:24 PM UTC

DrBoring wrote: post #78

Coming soon: a service that will have ringers do Zoom interviews on your behalf while using real-time deep fake tech to look and sound just like you. All the pieces of the technology required to do something like that may already exist today.

It is simpler than that. Have someone sit opposite you with a mirrored screen and the audio feed going onto his headphones. He can then write the answers that appear on your screen or get shown on another screen around your camera so that you dont look like you are looking away. Spend a bit of time to act about trying to think up a solution, and you have a winning combo. Have seen many people pass online video proctored certification exams using this trick ;-)

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by smm11 » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:25 PM UTC

skeaker wrote: post #321

jaaron wrote: post #306

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Game industry would be one source. At least for many teams and projects, Git isn't very useful (horrible for large binary files common in AAA games). So many companies still use Perforce or sometimes you'll see SVN still. That means a whole bunch of really qualified engineers who have never or rarely used git. I'm sure there are other industries for which that is true too. It's a good reminder how small a section of…

I've encountered this myself as someone who maintains small open source games. Engineers with vastly more experience than I do have approached me with contributions, but needed me to walk them through installing and using git. You could tell they were good engineers because they were so eager and happy to learn it. I can't speak for how big of a demographic these types of engineers are but they certainly exist.

Uh, git is how old? "Engineers with vastly more experience" might be how old?

Hate to tell you, but these engineers probably wrote code pre-Google, or pre-WWW, and actually got stuff done. Amazing, that.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by no1lives4ever » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:26 PM UTC

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #300

PeterWhittaker wrote: post #236

Late ‘90s. Rapid growth, many interviews. Got used to taking CVs with a grain of salt. Had the best and worst interview experiences ever. The best: really strong CV, older candidate, really poor English. Frustrating process, more for him than us, he is struggling so hard. Finally he stands up, grabs my pen and my colleague’s pad, and sketches DB schema. Uses the pen to point back and forth between the CV and the sket…

> That guy ended up being another of my best hires. Communication was always a chore, results always through the roof. With the colleague from the interview and one other, he became one of my three developer archetypes in a much longer story. There needs to be a website that captures these types of war stories.

reddit and hacker news has enough of them ;-)

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:27 PM UTC

bityard wrote: post #315

cercatrova wrote: post #141

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There is a whole community about this called Overemployed [0]. Their reddit posts are quite entertaining, like this guy who works 5 jobs and is making 1.2 million a year [1]. [0] https://overemployed.com/ [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/s12c8l/i_star...

Man, I am kinda shocked not so much that this is a thing but seems to be a bona fide _movement_. It's highly interesting but my one job keeps me more than busy enough, thankyouverymuch. Edit: A few other thoughts I had since hitting submit: 1. It feels to me like the most challenging part of living a double working life is making sure your mandatory meetings at each job don't conflict. I wonder how people get around…

If it's possible and profitable, there's someone out there who will do it. Which is the whole point of the legal system.

Ironically, the hardest point would probably be post-detection cleanup.

I guess the company would sue the individual for back wages on the basis of breach of contract?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by iypx » Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 11:27 PM UTC

Johnny555 wrote: post #322

amrrs wrote: post #169

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I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

I'm highly underpaid for the same work. A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life. So comparing your salary to American workers doesn't really say anything about whether or not you're "underpaid", but it's how your salary compares to others in…

> A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life.

Maybe a good quality of life compared to other people from the same area... but nowhere even close to that of an American worker.

No idea where you got that "1/4 salary is worth more at home" from, when in my experience I used to be able to feed myself with 10 GBP/week on average in UK, now I'm spending close to 15 GBP/week in Moldova. Tech/computers/phones are about twice as expensive here, used cars ~10 times more expensive at the lower-end, mid/high-end about the same (at least you don't have to spend crazy amounts of money on parts since getting the MOT equiv here is much easier, so you can fix your car with whatever hammer and lattice from your neighbor's garage..)

Utilites about the same. Rent is cheaper, since most people live with their families overcrowded in tiny appartments...

The cost of "living" is higher, most people just don't know how poor people live. Most people can't even imagine eating ten pounds a week...