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Post by blululu »

inglor_cz wrote: post #302
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #78

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> because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU. Bad assumption. Maybe an unpopular fact, but many sites simply block EU access to avoid potential legal pitfalls of navigating foreign laws. Getting the site compliant would require review from legal teams and work from (likely contracted) web developers, which is almost certainly not in the budget for a side site li…

Within the EU itself, GDPR is rarely enforced. A paper tiger of sorts. Its main meaning is to scare some people straight, but the resources for actual enforcement of its provisions are rather limited. For example, I still receive a lot of commercial spam that advertises in-EU businesses.

Maybe but no lawyer is going to say it’s probably fine to break the law since enforcement is lax, and the engineering team isn’t going to say we can stand by all the random code this we pulled from npm. The obvious thing to do here is blocking readers from 7 time zones away which up until today went unnoticed.

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Post by zepto »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #351
throwawaylinux wrote: post #308

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> There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. Which bills are those?

Let me google that for you https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

That just proves that you don’t know what CRT is,

CRT is not a history curriculum and has nothing to do with the Tulsa Massacre.

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Post by Bayesian_bro »

Cupertino95014 wrote: post #343
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Look at you, getting all fancy with your "deontological" and "consequentialist." Does it feel erudite to use 5 dollar words when a 10 cent word like "freedom" would do? No, actually we cannot see that "having consequentialist ethics that don't care about your freedom do a lot better at fighting pandemics." But then, we don't have police welding people's doors shut, either.

I think you need to look up what "deontological" means. It's putting a means before an end. America does this with spreading freedom. Colonial Spain did this with spreading christianity. Russia did this with spreading communism.

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Post by jeffh »

zepto wrote: post #318
vmception wrote: post #291

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Okay so a more apt comparison would be 30 years after the Tulsa race massacre in America to see if was easier to talk about it Or 100 years after the Tianamen Square massacre in China to see if its easier to talk about it then great. very productive.

It’s a delusional if you think that in the 50s, there were American agents intimidating their citizens abroad for talking about the Tulsa race massacre . The idea that it is OK for it to take another 50 years before the Chinese can talk about Tiananmen without fear of state reprisal, seems to be an apology for totalitarian oppression.

In the 50s there was US agent repression and intimidation of beliefs around communism (see McCarthyism). The KKK was also still rampant and had members that were police or other "state officials". So ... maybe US isn't so different after all?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

DFHippie wrote: post #303
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #262

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> I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? This is a legitimate comparison between the CCP and the government of Oklahoma. It is a bad comparison in terms of responses. China fears and represses discussion of the Tiananmen Square massacre. In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience.

> In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience. Well, some do. The anti-CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Do you suppose they'll be teaching about the Tulsa Race Massacre in Oklahoma high schools in the near future? ETA I think people were taking me the wrong way. I added "anti-" above. The brouhaha is all the people trying to prevent their kids from hearing anything in…

> CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that

I'm not claiming that some people in America would like to live under a totalitarian regime. I'm saying that's not what we have, and that most Americans don't want that.

We can look at China, get scared, and note the similar systems in our own. But we shouldn't be lazy and conclude that, because bees and birds both have eyes they are fundamentally the same thing.

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Post by spaetzleesser »

sschueller wrote: post #248
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

"The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. "

Having grown up in Germany and now living in the US I think in the US you can have more freedom if you are willing to live outside the boundaries of the life the average citizen has. If you are willing to live off the grid you can be pretty free. Some people think freedom also means the right to not have health insurance.

But if you live the life of the average citizen with a regular job I feel the US citizen is less free. You constantly have to worry about the cost of health care and education. I also feel people are less willing to voice their opinion in order to not offend others. You have way less rights as an employee. Police is less predictable and may do weird stuff. I also feel less free when I get into a confrontation with somebody and have to worry about getting shot.

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

flohofwoe wrote: post #222
bostonsre wrote: post #164

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Do you know of any examples of descent against the government that ended well for those that spoke up? I highly doubt the people are sheep and I'm pretty positive I would act in the same exact way and keep my mouth shut in order to live my life if I was living in a country with an oppressive government.

The collapse of the Eastern European socialist countries 30 years ago is an excellent example. But it only works when the general public had suffered enough and isn't willing to support the regime anymore. And the economic situation needs to get worse for one or two generations, it won't happen overnight and in a working economy. A few dissidents "speaking up" to incite change is a romantic idea, but it's not enough.

It's a kind of miracle it happened in most these countries without bloodshed. You need to mobilize large parts of society and have a favorable political situation to perform a coup like this without a civil war.

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Post by inglor_cz »

blululu wrote: post #371
inglor_cz wrote: post #302

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Within the EU itself, GDPR is rarely enforced. A paper tiger of sorts. Its main meaning is to scare some people straight, but the resources for actual enforcement of its provisions are rather limited. For example, I still receive a lot of commercial spam that advertises in-EU businesses.

Maybe but no lawyer is going to say it’s probably fine to break the law since enforcement is lax, and the engineering team isn’t going to say we can stand by all the random code this we pulled from npm. The obvious thing to do here is blocking readers from 7 time zones away which up until today went unnoticed.

"which up until today went unnoticed"

GDPR-related 451 is quite widespread in my experience, but that is what VPNs are for :-)

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Post by mcv »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

These are not highschool kids; they are legal adults choosing to enforce an oppressive policy from a foreign government. There's every reason to expel them.

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Post by colinmhayes »

BurningFrog wrote: post #324
ctvo wrote: post #311

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The American criminal justice system has problems. Those problems are systemic and publicly discussed, but the rule of law exists, and the process is public, and you have the right to defend yourself against charges the state levies. When is Jack Ma's public trial? Peng Shuai's? Putting things into quotes doesn't make it "work".

96% of sentences in the US are handed out without a trial.

Because the defendants choose to forgo their trial. Chinese defendants are not given the option.
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