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Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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In my city (Seattle), you never know if a mob is going to set up a month-long occupation outside your building, whether unregistered sex offenders have set up camp in your doorway (can't roust them), every road puts cars first, and the school is removing gifted programs for being racist. I'd love to live in a safe, well-managed, urban city. I don't believe any exist in North America.

New York? Denver? Jersey City?

> Denver?

How does Denver fit in with the other two? I currently live in Denver, and have also lived in NYC and Jersey City. The latter seem like completely different worlds from Denver.

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The environmental impact of suburban lifestyle is not limited to personal transportation carbon emissions. It also involves huge amounts of expensive (in land and resources) infrastructure, and individual suburbanites have a much larger resource footprint than other people.

> individual suburbanites have a much larger resource footprint. Suburbs have higher median personal income than urban cores; so that individual suburbanites consume more resources isn't surprising. These people would also consume more resources if they lived in urban cores.

The same people would consume dramatically fewer resources (each, individually) and cause dramatically less environmental destruction if they lived in a smaller personal space with far less bulky/expensive per-person infrastructure and used shared rather than individual services (e.g. transportation).

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I grew up in the DC suburbs. The closest pool was a few miles away, so required a car. The schools were all miles away, so required car/bus. By the time I got to high school, most of my friends lived miles away, so for a few years, seeing them required transportation. Grocery store required a car. Heck, even the closest corner store required a car. Fortunately, my mom was able to stay home for many years, and when sh…

When I was a kid in a suburban/rural area I used a bicycle to solve all those problems, besides groceries, which my parents took care of.

When I was old enough, I did as well. Didn't help for some things... middle school was ~7 miles from home and across several major arterial roads - making that ride in winter wouldn't have been safe (would have been in the dark on way to school).

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And part of it is what public schools are doing to our kids. My 6 year old is required to sit outdoors to eat her lunch in 40ish degree (F) weather, and is not allowed to socialized. My 5 year old has to wear a mask 7 hours a day against an illness that doesn't kill kids. I'm at my wit's end with these school administrators. Hoping to be in Wyoming in 6 months' time.

> My 5 year old has to wear a mask 7 hours a day against an illness that doesn't kill kids This is misinformation: https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19...

In your article, it says that:

>Among states reporting, children were 0.00%-0.27% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 6 states reported zero child deaths

>In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death

So how is what I said "misinformation"?

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Housing First seemed to be working in Utah. They achieved 90% reduction in chronic homelessness. A remarkably simple and cost-effective answer. Essentially it states “get people housing and then it’s way easier to treat the things making them homeless” plop someone in a home and then it’s easier to get medication to them and they stop showing up in the ER 4x a month. Get people housing and then you know where they ar…

I was about to chime in with the same comment. In actuality, they landed around 71%, but yeah, I'd still call that a huge success. https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/05/11/utah-was-onc... The arguments for housing-first homeless solutions align neatly with Universal Basic Income.

The other 29% need to be sent to a re-education camp until they want to be part of society again. I'm not kidding. Vagrancy is a plague on civil society.

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In my city (Seattle), you never know if a mob is going to set up a month-long occupation outside your building, whether unregistered sex offenders have set up camp in your doorway (can't roust them), every road puts cars first, and the school is removing gifted programs for being racist. I'd love to live in a safe, well-managed, urban city. I don't believe any exist in North America.

Join us in Issaquah or Kirkland.

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If people on HN really want the urban life style to make any sense in America they need to start tackling the mental health / homeless problem. They talk about "the environment" but no one wants to talk about how my wife has to dodge human feces getting on and off public transportation. "It's just part of living in a vibrant city".... Give me a break.

It's part of living in a broken city. Your city (and country) does not need to have a massive homeless problem. This is something the city and state government can fix. Housing, mental health support, drug treatment support and better community policing are all possible, and proven to work. How to get the city and state (and national) governments to fix this problem is another issue.

Ah yes blame the "city" and not the various municipalities sending their homeless to said city. Most of the homeless are not from the cities they are in. They just end up there and then the city has to pay for it for some reason.

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> and live off a VERY modest retirement (WELL under a million saved/invested) for the next 40 years Do you mind sharing how much? I'm curious why most people seem to think $1M is somehow not enough money to retire modestly on. If previous trends continue, you could easily live on >$4K after taxes per month indefinitely. That's almost 50% higher than median wage (after taxes). Median wage = ~$41,000. Even with $0 stat…

Are you factoring medical insurance into consideration? Can be c. $3K / month for a family.

It definitely helps to not have a family, and not to get sick, but if the finances work out after considering everything a generic fear of medical expenses shouldn't necessarily keep someone from pursuing an early "retirement". Home expenses are the more important consideration I think unless you've already got some medical stuff going on. I kind of did things in the wrong order and quit my job last year before finding a place to move to, and still haven't really settled on a new location, so I'm continuing to rent in high cost Bellevue WA. With no job, if I want to buy a home (that's absurdly overpriced even in places like Wyoming relative to 2019/most of 2020) somewhere and not pay in cash I'll need to do an asset depletion loan, whose typical 70% of assets calculation puts me at about a third of the more traditional 28% monthly income rule for qualification purposes.

My personal health insurance is a crappy plan that's $250/mo (it's going up to $280 for next year) -- I don't plan on actually using it and I have an HSA fund from my last job that will cover 1-2 years of hitting the out-of-pocket max if something does happen. Depending on the something, and its chronic nature, that may force me to change my situation, but top of the list of likely doable changes is to just go back to work (either to afford a better plan that'll cover something I need or get with the group plan the company has). If being "retired" young doesn't work out so well in the first few years, it's not that rough to become un-retired, compared to being in your 60s or 70s, and hopefully at least you had a fun break.

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Many like you are buying up lake-front properties in rural places. I recommend it, playing farmer-cowboy-houseboateer in Kentucky/Tennessee is a magnitude cheaper than out west, even if you fail, you are out less money than simply living elsewhere.

I'm currently in the process of buying my wife's grandpa's house in rural Louisiana. It isn't on a lot of land (only 1.5 acres), but he's selling it to us "at cost" and that was how much it cost him to build it 20 years ago. We haven't decided if we want to live there full time and give up all the niceties we currently enjoy (a target within 10 minutes vs 2.5 hours, every type of ethnic food you can imagine, etc)., b…

I had a chance last March when all the temporary remote work started, to grab a nice rural property and move there from the Bay Area. Chickened out because I didn't know how permanent the remote culture would get, but I wish I had pulled the trigger. Seems like since then, the rest of the country (including rural areas) has caught up with the huge real estate price hikes. Every stereotypical "lake house" has spiked and it doesn't seem like such a bargain anymore. Too bad!

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I moved to somewhat of an expat bubble in rural Portugal, lots of advantages, the few disadvantages for me though are having to drive everywhere and lack of options for schools. Granted these are not specific to Portugal, but more for the "moving to rural / suburbs areas". Some people don't mind the driving, but for me, realizing I will be a taxi driver until kids get a driving license is a little depressing. Especially the driving to school part...

However, the advantages still offset the disadvantages for me.

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