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Post by jiggawatts »

andai wrote: post #341
kumarvvr wrote: post #288

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I agree. I am from India. My whole life I have used Windows. Usage and teaching of Unix / Linux is severely limited to top universities, and only because they copy the US university culture (most professors are US educated) 90% of the articles on the web, are 100% certain that I have a use VIM / Emacs, on a Linux machine. Where are the articles that focus on the rest of us ?

What kind of articles make assumptions about your preferred text editor? Or do you mean they assume you're on Linux in general?

As a random example, the justification presented for VS Code using "up arrow" to view the search & replace history is that it matches the "bash standard". Every other Windows text editor in the history of the world uses down-arrow.

Similarly, Microsoft broke how clear screen works in both Windows Terminal and VS Code to match the UNIX terminal standard.

Hint: Neither of these are standards by any definition, and UNIX people were arguing over both of these things at length themselves.

Before we forget: VS Code is made by Microsoft employees and is primarily deployed by people using Microsoft Windows.

But it has to adhere to the "standards" that Microsoft developers are used to and expect.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by goto11 »

phillipcarter wrote: post #12
kreeben wrote: post #4

>> ASP.NET Core in .NET 6. I've been on .net since 1.1 and .net Core since 1.0 and this statement makes me so confused. Core lives _inside_ of .net 6? Is there a non-core ASP.NET that also lives inside that framework? I thought .net 5 was where the legacy 4.x branch and core 3.1 was married in holy matrimony, minus the worst of the legacy garbage.

> Core lives _inside_ of .net 6? Is there a non-core ASP.NET that also lives inside that framework? Yep! > I thought .net 5 was where the legacy 4.x branch and core 3.1 was married in holy matrimony, minus the worst of the legacy garbage. .NET 5 was the next evolution of .NET Core. There was no great merging of legacy .NET Framework into the .NET Core branch or something like that. It saw a bunch of foundational stuf…

>> Is there a non-core ASP.NET that also lives inside that framework? > Yep!

No, the "non-Core" ASP.Net framework is not ported to the .Net Core platform (i.e. .net 5+). Only ASP.Net Core runs on .Net Core.

This is unfortunate, because it means older web sites based on the classic ASP.Net does not have clear migration path to .net 5+.

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Post by DeathArrow »

jgilias wrote: post #200
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

I can chime in on this one. I think it's very much a 'culture' thing. So, I'm a *nix guy. You know, running Sway WM, using Doom Emacs as my daily driver, that sort of a thing. Learned vim to write my thesis at night on an armchair where using the mouse was not comfortable. Not long ago I accidentally got involved with a kind of a .NET consulting gig. Rather, I got involved as a domain expert to help out some SaaS sta…

>At one point there was something I felt was a 'one-line change', that took 12 files to edit. Mostly routing calls through different auxiliary classes because 'architecture'.

I won't blame .NET for this. Needlessly complicated architectures are because OOP everywhere minded guys, Uncle Bob and GoF patterns. If you worked with a Java shop you cold have been hit by the same scenario.

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Post by cutler »

loudmax wrote: post #61
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

In the late 90's and early 2000's Microsoft made a real effort to prevent people from being able to choose any operating system other than Windows. They've come a very long way since then, but they still profit from the enormous amount of software infrastructure still being developed today that's Windows only. For example, they've made it easy to run native Linux applications on Windows but they've made little effort…

Indeed. It's not so long ago that Microsoft was draining the life out of open source with its bogus patents racket.

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Post by [deleted] »

moogly wrote: post #202
ziml77 wrote: post #62

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I think .NET is still seen as if it's Windows-only or Windows-first. If it does start being used cross-platform, I think it will take a lot more time to get there, especially since Java has been working just fine for the same sorts of projects. And it's an especially hard sell given that it doesn't have a good GUI situation. Support for Windows GUIs is back since .NET 5, but the cross platform options are weak. It's…

AIUI, MAUI does not include Linux support. There was a third-party effort to get that going, but it's not part of MAUI proper, and it looks somewhat moribund. https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/maui-linux

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Post by DeathArrow »

jgilias wrote: post #332
kinjba11 wrote: post #304

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> But I won't be looking for .NET jobs Have heard this sentiment in more than one comment in places like HN. "The {tech} is great, but the culture was ... so I'm not putting {tech} on my resume". And So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy :). Yet some tech seem immune to this. They don't say "X is great but the culture was crap, so I'm abandoning X", they say "X is great but the culture was crap so I'm changing job…

I see your point. But then, do you really believe one would be a smart person if they were to look for .NET jobs where at the same time Windows is not the dominant environment that people use at work?

>Windows is not the dominant environment that people use at work

Are you sure about that? Maybe Windows is not dominant when you look at startups.

Anyway, what .NET has to do with Windows now? You can happily use it on Linux or macOS.

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Post by dotancohen »

ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #345
dotancohen wrote: post #337

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I wish that I knew about this earlier. I'm a Linux user but I love C#. I suppose that VS Code is the canonical IDE for C# today?

No visual studio or rider, vscode support isn’t great from my experience.

Thanks. I love the Jetbrains IDEs.

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Post by abdusco »

kaba0 wrote: post #355
abdusco wrote: post #328

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Yeah, nim ticks all the boxes, but the ecosystem around it should grow a bit more until I can develop comfortably with it. vlang[0] also seems like a nice golang "fork" that I'd be willing to spend time on. [0]: https://github.com/vlang/v/blob/master/doc/docs.md

Not wanna bring down that project, but be wary of V, as in the past it has made plenty of impossible to live up to “features” and indeed, never delivered. But I haven’t followed it since then.

I'm aware of the controversy, and I've been following its development for some time now. It seems to be developed at a neck-breaking pace, but I'm still waiting for an official "go!" license before I start playing with it.

I hope they succeed because it has/promises a really attractive set of features.

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Post by DeathArrow »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #274
oaiey wrote: post #239

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Yeah .. but there is one aspect in this argumentation: C# is everywhere a reasonable contender. So while you rarely get a dominant position (Unity and Backends) you get a lot of second places (Apps, Desktop, ...) which complement your full stack experience in an awesome language. And this is different to other languages: Python/Go: no-show in apps; JavaScript: no-show in data science; Swift: no-show in backends (than…

>From a management perspective, this is not bad. You get movable team members. I have a friend-of-a-friend who has a successful 30 person contracting business. They do C#. He , the co-owner benefits from this. I was responding to a question from a FAANG developer. FAANG developers don't get moved. FAANG developers move when they want to move: to projects that they find interesting; to other FAANGs; or to start-ups. A…

>FAANG developers move when they want to move: to projects that they find interesting; to other FAANGs;

If a developer knows C# he can tackle more than one domain. Suppose you got bored and want to switch. Or there are new interesting opportunities. If you know C#, you just switch without having to learn a new language and libraries.

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