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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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An immensly powerful and useful tool. Can't live without it. Hopefully the situation resolves soon. What is it with MS these past few months? It's like they're trying to throw away the little community goodwill they managed to build up over the years.

Shareholders are getting anxious.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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From: https://github.com/processhacker/processhacker/discussions/7... >The existing drivers are compatible with Win11 and haven't been blocked by Microsoft yet... The large majority of changes by Microsoft are limited to restricting the Windows API with signature checks that block competitors software (e.g. CreateWindowInBand, NtQuerySystemInformation, NtQueryInformationProcess to name a few) rather than directly tar…

The reason might be DRM?

(Also, isn't this straight up illegal according to their previous settlements?)

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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>And in fact Secure Boot does protect against Grandma being infected by boot-time malware. And how can grandma get boot time malware at Home? IIRC those were common back in the days when people were plugging in infected floppy disks or thumb drives everywhere and you'd try to boot off them. Can't remember last time I saw this type of malware in the wild as phishing and ransomware is a lot more profitable for maliciou…

> And how can grandma get boot time malware at Home? Depending on the demographic, they can: get caught up in during some (possibly unrelated, likely automated) attack, click the wrong ad, or load the wrong common page with JS.

Can you please provide some sources for JS ad-based boot time malware you mentioned that one can get off the web?

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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> What is it with MS these past few months? I was thinking the same. It's not been a good few weeks for them. They're quickly losing trust which was hard to acquire in the first place given their history. Maybe a timely reminder to mention Halloween [1] ? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

Are they losing trust though? Many young developers don't remember the height of the EEE days in the 90s and 00s when MS was trying very hard to extinguish free software. These are just stories to them. Now, MS runs the world's largest source code sharing service and many of these young developers launch proprietary MS code editing tools daily. We old timers always knew what the end game was, but young people lack th…

Young free software advocates exist - I'm one. I know about EEE and agree we're in a sorry state.

I have a feeling MS will continue to dominate due to network effects and vscode/wsl being a nice enough experience. It'll take them resting on their laurels or some great act of user hostility to change this status quo.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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> What is it with MS these past few months? I was thinking the same. It's not been a good few weeks for them. They're quickly losing trust which was hard to acquire in the first place given their history. Maybe a timely reminder to mention Halloween [1] ? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

Are they losing trust though? Many young developers don't remember the height of the EEE days in the 90s and 00s when MS was trying very hard to extinguish free software. These are just stories to them. Now, MS runs the world's largest source code sharing service and many of these young developers launch proprietary MS code editing tools daily. We old timers always knew what the end game was, but young people lack th…

I remember. It’s also hard to turn down WSL and VSC. They are wonderful products and I’m fairly certain I’m sadly contributing to all this nonsense but I also need to get my day job done and pay the bills. One day large corporations I hope will allow Linux. But at least mine it’s windows or macOS and apple is far behind the wsl/vsc curve right now and apparently doesn’t have any motivation to catch up. They rely on “you have to use Xcode” right now which is unfortunate.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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> So, basically, for some reason, Microsoft wants to make it very hard for you to see whats running on your computer... So they can run spyware. Nearly every user hostile policy or behavior can be explained by the insatiable lust for data.

They wanted feature parity with MacOS' ability to hide processes from the user.

Excuse me, what? Hadn't heard about this. Got a link?

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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But even if you can somehow make your own hardware, how long until governments start requiring interaction with certain services (health, banking, taxes, etc) be signed by an _approved_ OS/processor combo? Imagine tax software (comercial or gov provided) refusing to work unless you use an OS with TPM support for "security reasons". Or even worse, what would happen if gov regulations started requiring ISPs to stop wor…

AT&T fiber basically alreadydoes this. You cannot connect without their crappy routerbox that authenticates to the network every so often. Some people have created work arounds but they all requie the att box be plugged in somewhereand forward its certificates

"AT&T fiber basically alreadydoes this. You cannot connect without their crappy routerbox that authenticates to the network every so often."

If you look at the IT/computing/internet position from a global perspective you'll note that there are many outrageous situations that warrant political action. These issues include copyright overreach, gross privacy breaches by the likes of Google, Facebook, et al, to internet protocols done at the bequest of corporations for their own benefit, to the ever-increasing proprietary nature of both software and hardware including CPUs not to mention hidden proprietary firmware code in vehicles that drivers do not have access to, etc. - much of it done under excuse or the false premise of security.

If one matter stands above all else then it is that there's no cohesive political opposition of any notable size that's capable of disrupting the political system/establishment to the extent where politicians must take notice.

This is a serious problem and it's a fundamental one. For instane, Cory Doctorow noted that the problems with copyright including copyright reform can't be sorted out as the big players have too much money, power and influence and those of us in opposition are just too few in number to make any difference no matter how just and legitiate our cause may be. In essence, in the grand schema of social and political life, copyright essentially amounts to nought - so it's little wonder copyright reform is left to wither and languish (note, this is my interpretation/summary of what he's been saying on various occasions).

Even organizations such as the EFF and influential people such as Tim Berners-Lee and Bruce Schneier have very little influence on their own in the face of huge corporate opposition, MS, Google, Facebook, etc not to mention governments, the NSA, GCHQ, etc.

In essence, it's all a lost cause unless we can all coalesce together to form one overarching body of international standing that's politically able to fight the forces of darkness. Unfortunately, I'm pessimistic that this will ever come to pass simply because pretty much all of those involved have demonstrated that they're very independent and headstrong and thus they're unlikely to be sufficiently united to be fully effective in a common political cause (one only has to look at the hundreds of disparate Linux distributions to see that). Nevertheless, it'd be wonderful if I were to be proved wrong.

In the same vein, I'd suggest that there's a more fundamental problem at stake here. That's the general apathy and unease about democracy currently held by huge swathes of the citizenry. Modern democracy formed hundreds of years ago when life and times were simpler thus the democratic systems that were set up to deal with them were structured accordingly and there's been precious little change since.

This brings us back to issues such as the copyright one I've mentioned. Modern democracy has no simple way of dealing with the many thousands of genuine legitimate causes that have arisen out of the complexities of modern-day life.

Modern democracies with their mainly (effectively) two-party systems can't effectively accommodate all the nuances of these complexities and like the parable of The Man, the Boy and the Donkey, they try to please all with botched compromises and end up pleasing none (for example, just witness the many political shemozzles over COVID).

In my opinion, the only way to overcome such problems is to review and then agree on new - or even which covenants should bind citizens and The State then take it from there (on some issues where there's no common agreement society may have to divide into groups and individuals be bound by the laws of that group, etc.) Whatever the outcome it's highly unlikely to be resoled in the foreseeable future.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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From: https://github.com/processhacker/processhacker/discussions/7... >The existing drivers are compatible with Win11 and haven't been blocked by Microsoft yet... The large majority of changes by Microsoft are limited to restricting the Windows API with signature checks that block competitors software (e.g. CreateWindowInBand, NtQuerySystemInformation, NtQueryInformationProcess to name a few) rather than directly tar…

The reason might be DRM? (Also, isn't this straight up illegal according to their previous settlements?)

That settlement expired in 2009.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is it with MS these past few months? I was thinking the same. It's not been a good few weeks for them. They're quickly losing trust which was hard to acquire in the first place given their history. Maybe a timely reminder to mention Halloween [1] ? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

Are they losing trust though? Many young developers don't remember the height of the EEE days in the 90s and 00s when MS was trying very hard to extinguish free software. These are just stories to them. Now, MS runs the world's largest source code sharing service and many of these young developers launch proprietary MS code editing tools daily. We old timers always knew what the end game was, but young people lack th…

> young people lack the context and so many are already hooked on MS now. It's not obvious to me that they will ever care enough to switch no matter how hostile MS behaves.

Not all of us. I had just barely started being willing to trust Microsoft again, and they've repeatedly shown themselves to be hostile since the initial "Github is cool! And WSL! And VSCode!", enough is enough.

I've read the Halloween documents, I know where this goes.

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