A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco • Hacker News Board

Re: A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco

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Post by etc-hosts » Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

nostrademons wrote: post #107

etc-hosts wrote: post #69

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Michael Shellenberger does not live in San Francisco, or at least he did not when he came in dead last in the 2016 governor election.

Apparently he lived in San Francisco in the past, and now lives in Berkeley. He came in 9th out of 27 in the 2018 gubernatorial election.

wow youre right, he got 30,000 votes

he had pretty far to go to beat Newsom's 2,340,000 votes

Shellenberger at least beat the guy who's entire campaign was appearing in ads dual wielding pistols ( Peter Liu )

Re: A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco

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Post by naveen99 » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 12:48 AM UTC

rsj_hn wrote: post #335

ppsreejith wrote: post #334

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Wouldn't the ultimate effect of land value taxes be to build more housing? (since that's how we can extract the most value out of land for a given tax)

Yes, but it's not clear how much. One of the biggest, most important insights you can have about economics - and even all social orgnization - is that while there is a subset of people who exploit economic opportunities and do things like maximize revenue, the vast majority do not. Even though there isn't a lot of free money to be had, that's because a small subset are grabbing the free money, not because everyone is…

Agreed. It’s another reason to not complain about income and wealth taxes either if you are good at capital allocation and business in general. taxes drive people who aren’t good at business out of business faster. they take Capital away from people who can’t grow it away faster… paradoxically taxes are supposed to take from the rich and give to the poor, but this way, the rich who are rich not by accident, but by Skill, benefit more from taxes relative to their competitors.

Re: A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco

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Post by Aloha » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 2:13 PM UTC

graderjs wrote: post #357

Aloha wrote: post #217

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I have my own experiences interacting with the homeless in seattle. They're a bunch of overlapping groups. Around 1/4 are short term homeless, just folks at the margins of society who fell off the page, and now cannot make ends meet. Alot of these folks do find their way off the streets of their own, but this is the group that we need to most urgently help. Around 1/2 are long term chronic homeless, often they were j…

I have been reading some of your back comments prompted by your comment about organization policy on my white house fire story and I think you should write blog posts it's clear you think really deeply about things I think you have a lot of interesting stuff to contribute. And you've had an interesting intersection of experiences and combine that with your good analysis and insights often seemingly to me not obvious,…

Hrm - I'd never considered long form blogging, I'm not sure what I'd write about.

Any suggestions?

Re: A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco

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Post by graderjs » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

Aloha wrote: post #373

graderjs wrote: post #357

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I have been reading some of your back comments prompted by your comment about organization policy on my white house fire story and I think you should write blog posts it's clear you think really deeply about things I think you have a lot of interesting stuff to contribute. And you've had an interesting intersection of experiences and combine that with your good analysis and insights often seemingly to me not obvious,…

Hrm - I'd never considered long form blogging, I'm not sure what I'd write about. Any suggestions?

How about a new topic every week? From areas you're interested in or at least journeys along your way. Stories from, ideas about or advice on how to be a good manager; what makes good mothers; how to think clearly; how to plan for the future; your pov on how to fix politics/tech/industry/manufacturing/foreign relations/media/cities/the future; how to be a good human; how to bring up kids right; how to run a business; how to drive safely; how to manage your time and all the things your want to do; how to connect with people while doing everything else; how to travel well; how to prep for the end of the world.

How to, or how you, up to you :p;) xx

Basically if you were to leave something behind on this world to benefit future generations... What would you want to contribute? What do you think you could help other people with, save them some pain, bring them some relief or even joy? Best of luck with it all :)

Re: A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco

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Post by pseudalopex » Sun, Nov 07, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

dandotway wrote: post #342

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How did you meet? On the street? At a shelter? Most homeless people are homeless under a year in the US. Many have jobs. Many sleep on couches not streets. Or in cars not shelters. And they try to avoid the stigma of homelessness.

> Most homeless people are homeless under a year in the US Source? > Many have jobs Source? > How did you meet? On the street? Yes, and a few did indeed have cars and sleep in cars.

Agencies and researchers talk about 2 or 3 kinds of homelessness. Longer than 1 year is chronic.[1] 120,323 of 580,466 homeless people counted were chronically homeless in January 2020.[2]

I don't think the number with jobs is tracked nationally. 10% of unsheltered people in San Diego said they were currently employed or attending school.[3] Another 11% were unemployed under 6 months. In New York City 16% of single adults in shelters had jobs.[4] 28% of families had at least 1 working adult. And people with jobs spend less time in shelters or on the street of course. Maybe none if they can afford a cheap hotel room.

You meet who you meet on the street because people with somewhere else to be are somewhere else.

[1] https://guildservices.org/the-different-types-of-homelessnes...

[2] https://files.hudexchange.info/reports/published/CoC_PopSub_...

[3] https://www.rtfhsd.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2018-WPoin...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/nyregion/in-new-york-havi...