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Post by coryfklein »

kaba0 wrote: post #365
coryfklein wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to better capture non-white skin tones The copy on the page itself seems to disagree with you > Portraits on Pixel represent the nuances of different skin tones for *all people* beautifully and authentically. (Emphasis mine) There does seem to be a discrepancy between the copy saying "all people" and the photos above that paragraph only including individuals with darker skin. Edit: I'm acknowledging that there are…

Maybe because it already took great photos of white people?

Yeah this is probably the best explanation. Elsewhere on the page you can see examples of photos of lighter skin-toned individuals, and when viewed holistically – both photos and copy – this particular section is actually trying to communicate that the camera can capture well _darker_ skin tones. But I guess it's rude to specifically say it that way, and more "inclusive" to simply say "all people".

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by simonh »

gigel82 wrote: post #310
simonh wrote: post #254

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They do not have the ability to scan photos stored on your phone that are not uploaded to iCloud. The scan is only implemented in the iCloud photos upload system.

If that was the case they'd just implement it on their own servers, just like everybody else (it's not like iCloud is E2EE). In reality they probably have a "photoscanner.so / .dylib" that currently is only linked in by the iCloud uploader thing, but at any time could be called in by any other part of the system (or offer exploits new avenues for data exfiltration), which was actually spelled out in their initial ann…

At any time they could implement a new feature in iPhone to do anything, yes that's true, and yes they could be flat out lying that this is how it's implemented. They could be lying about the whole thing. If they'd implemented it on their servers, they could still have taken that code and later put it on their phones and run it on whatever photos they liked.

Come on, now you're really going off the rails. What we're discussing here is the system Apple has said they have implemented and described. Anything beyond that is hearsay and accusation, for which some evidence would be appreciated. If you're just going to believe whatever you want to, and damn the evidence or what anyone says, go ahead. There's nothing much more to say.

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Post by chrismcb »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #294
whichquestion wrote: post #49

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5 years of security updates, 3 years of feature updates. On the page it says on the 12th footnote, "Feature drops for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Your Pixel will receive feature drops during the applicable Android update and support periods for the phone. See g.co/pixel/updates for details." On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says…

It's funny that when discussing the topic of "updates" and obsolescence, users focus on the vendor as if they have exclusive control over the situation. Authors of applications may also play a role. For example, when they "update" their applications to only work with newer versions of Android. Depending on the user's application needs, that can shorten the life of a an Android device. Some applications will continue…

I'm not sure how app authors shorten the life. If the app author only targets a new version of the os, then if the phone gets the new OS then all I good. So it is up too the vendor providing the new os, but the app provider. Now, the app provider can do supporting old OSes but that won't shorten the time past what the vendor sets

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by turtlebits »

DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

Pixel phones have absolutely not been reliable for me. From the Pixel 1 microphone defect to it needing a reboot every few days, and my Pixel 4A boot looping, Google phones are absolutely not reliable IME. (Almost as bad a Razer laptops).

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Post by silisili »

jbluepolarbear wrote: post #304
krzyk wrote: post #248

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Why do you think white people are over represented in tech (you forgot about Asians, which are there also)? Because they are interested in it. Just like some like math, others like sports. Why e.g. women are the majority of teachers (at least in my country)? They like to teach, are good with children. That's natural and you won't change that with ads that reverse the ethnic proportions in given country.

This is a systemic way of thinking. “Oh, most of the people working in this industry is one thing, let’s isolate this group further and discourage others from joining”. That’s how you sound. Also, depending what on the source white people (in the US) account for between 60 to 70 percent of the tech work force.

White people make up 73% of the US population. According to your own statistics, they are then underrepresented.

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Post by tootie »

deadmutex wrote: post #204
tootie wrote: post #128

Hot take: I haven't seen a compelling new phone feature from any manufacturer in as long as I can remember. I spend 99% of my tapping time sending texts, using a browser and taking pictures with the rear camera. Same as I did on my Droid X which was my first smart phone circa 2011.

Btw, I just came across this: https://www.engadget.com/google-assistant-call-hold-18123642...

I have pixel 4a and it has some things like call screening and low light photography. I have used them on occasion but they aren't things I consider reasons to buy a phone.

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Post by finder83 »

tootie wrote: post #128

Hot take: I haven't seen a compelling new phone feature from any manufacturer in as long as I can remember. I spend 99% of my tapping time sending texts, using a browser and taking pictures with the rear camera. Same as I did on my Droid X which was my first smart phone circa 2011.

This is precisely why I wish more manufacturers would start adding physical keyboards again...at least 60% of my phone use involves writing. I still hate touch-screen keyboards, and am easily twice as slow as I used to be on physical ones.

If someone would come out with a smaller phone with decent battery life, a processor that's not underpowered, physical keyboard, a headphone jack, and mediocre camera, I'd definitely jump on it. Almost the entirety of this press release is camera based, which I just don't care about that much...but maybe I'm not the target market.

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Post by throwaway81523 »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #370
throwaway81523 wrote: post #361

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> 5 years of support I'll wait for the iFixit report on how difficult it is to replace the battery, before believing in a phone lasting that long. Also as usual for the pixels, there is no analog headphone jack. Still I can't believe I'm at least somewhat interested in a $600 phone since I'm not that much of a mobile user. I wonder if they will do a 6A version any time soon. The main difference between the 6 and the…

My parents used several handed down iPhones for 6+ years each. I see no reason Google didn’t buy similarly good batteries.

Batteries have to be replaced once in a while, thus the famous story about iphones slowing down as the batteries get weaker. Maybe your parents were lucky or maybe their phones slowed down without their noticing it, or maybe the phones already had replacement batteries when your parents got them? Apple took a significant financial hit the year they offered $29.95 battery replacement since people got their batteries replaced instead of buying new phones that year.

I have a family member with an iphone se (2016 model) and it has needed a battery replacement. No big deal with the ifixit kit. But it seems to me, phones with wireless charging seem to have harder to replace batteries a lot of the time. The Pixel 2 is notoriously difficult. So I'll wait to see what happens with the 6. Of course I'm even more interested in a 6a, if they make one of those. I'm enough of a throwback to still want to use wired headphones.

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Post by hajile »

Sodman wrote: post #224

I hate the trend that the "pro" versions of all these flagship phones need to be an XL Phablet monstrosity. Human hands haven't gotten any bigger. I have owned most of the Nexus & Pixel phones throughout the years. After having the Nexus 6 as my daily driver for 2 years, I have always opted for the smaller option ever since. I would totally pay flagship prices for a regular ~5.5-6" phone with flagship specs, and I'm…

Apple is finally taking that more seriously. The 6.1" pro and the 6.7" max have the same hardware. Likewise, the 5.4" mini has no compromises over the 6.1" iphone except battery life.

I used Android for about a decade, but I'm glad I switched.

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Post by freeAgent »

wffurr wrote: post #331
freeAgent wrote: post #277

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Are they talking about how they've improved skin tone representation for all people, in which case I would expect more variation of skin tone in those photos, or are they saying that they improved representation of skin tones which contain more melanin? They literally said "all people," but I assume they actually mean the latter based on the representative photos.

They already took fantastic pictures of light skinned folks.

I disagree. I hate taking photos with my phone when I have the opportunity to use a my full-frame Sony camera. It's also very easy to mess up skin tones in tricky lighting situations, whether we're talking about light or dark-skinned people. Having multiple temperatures of light in the frame is probably the biggest issue (e.g., window light plus light from an incandescent bulb). It can really unbalance the rendering of skin tone.

I did a bit of searching just now and found that Google is calling this update "Real Tone." https://store.google.com/intl/en/discover/realtone/

From what I can tell, they have likely improved things for people of all skin colors, but probably moreso for those with darker skin due to increased focus on ML training. They include a person with fairly light skin on that page in comparison to the product page.

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