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Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

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Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

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Post by xvector »

jdhn wrote: post #228
xvector wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a terrible state. Infested with ultrawide roads and zero walkability. Women don't have bodily autonomy - imagine trying to raise a daughter in such an environment. I'd hope that alone would deter engineers with families from the state. Not to mention the a worthless human being of a governor. Backwards politics and ideals. It's a joke of a state, everything wrong with America hyper-concentrated on steroids.…

>Not to mention the a worthless human being of a governor. Backwards politics and ideals. It's a joke of a state, everything wrong with America hyper-concentrated on steroids. There are millions of people who think this exact same thing about California.

> There are millions of people who think this exact same thing about California.

Millions of people are also very dumb. I think most educated individuals would agree that California's politics - stance towards the environment, women, and more - are simply better. It's not even a comparison - one state:

- hastens climate change with zero regard for humanity

- denies women their bodily autonomy

The other does not. It really is that simple.

If someone can't agree that (a) the current state of climate change is bad, and (b) women deserve bodily autonomy, their opinion simply doesn't matter to me. IMO they also shouldn't be around women. In either case, we are simply too far ideologically to ever value each other's opnions.

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Post by scottrogowski »

CheezeIt wrote: post #37
danhak wrote: post #34

California's tax regime is really backward. I suspect Tesla's departure is just the tip of the iceberg and that the repeal of the SALT deduction in 2017 really hastened this trend. High earners pay an effective tax rate of > 50%. They are partially picking up the slack from Prop 13, which artificially distorts the housing market by allowing longtime homeowners to pay property taxes based on decades-old assessed value…

The public schools aren’t pitiful at all. California has great schools.

If we are judging by one completely objective measure (high school graduation rates) California is currently the lowest-ranked state in the country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/high-school...

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Post by Dopameaner »

Note that Musk moved the HQ to Austin, one of the most liberal cities in the US and probably the most expensive in Texas, and not for example to Fort Worth, a conservative city next door to Dallas. The fact that TX doesn't have a State income tax or a carbon capture tax but California does, will have also been a factor I'm sure.

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Post by Bud »

I'm sure female employees of Tesla (and wives of male employees, and daughters of employees), will be just thrilled to move to Texas so they can be subjected to Texas' new reproductive rights system, derived from The Handmaid's Tale.

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Post by muzz »

vmception wrote: post #205
pvarangot wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I talked to several Tesla and former Tesla folks that will probably relocate because of this, and the say is that since Austin in less NIMBY than the Bay Area new housing will get built and prices will go down. It's a more complex bet than just "we move there because houses are affordable now".

I don't think we really need to localize this conversation as nowhere can economically manage a large exodus of people from California's 40,000,000 population. The only thing to remember is that Californians can afford the new area's current housing prices and a decade's worth of price increases.

There is no "large exodus" of people moving out of California.

The number of people moving from San Francisco to Austin in a year is something like 240 households. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/People-are-leavi...

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Post by baby »

etchalon wrote: post #141
Apocryphon wrote: post #56

The official reason is because of housing: "To be clear we will be continuing to expand our activities in California," Musk said. "Our intention is to increase output from Fremont and Giga Nevada by 50%. If you go to our Fremont factory it's jammed." But, he added, "It's tough for people to afford houses, and people have to come in from far away....There's a limit to how big you can scale in the Bay Area." https://ww…

As someone who just bought a house in Austin this year, if the reason is "affordable housing", they're in for a world of hurt.

It’s not just about housing price, it’s also about location. In the bay there are almost no buildings so you don’t have much choice and often have to commute from very far away.

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Post by reayn »

Bud wrote: post #374

I'm sure female employees of Tesla (and wives of male employees, and daughters of employees), will be just thrilled to move to Texas so they can be subjected to Texas' new reproductive rights system, derived from The Handmaid's Tale.

It would take years of practice and a genuine passion to comment something more irrelevant than this.

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Post by vmception »

muzz wrote: post #375
vmception wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we really need to localize this conversation as nowhere can economically manage a large exodus of people from California's 40,000,000 population. The only thing to remember is that Californians can afford the new area's current housing prices and a decade's worth of price increases.

There is no "large exodus" of people moving out of California. The number of people moving from San Francisco to Austin in a year is something like 240 households. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/People-are-leavi...

but there is always the potential for one.

get California moving and those emigrants could turn every single state blue starting with every swing county, worth mentioning as the opposite is not true for the opposition party, from a math and distinctly unpartisan perspective.

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Post by xvector »

refurb wrote: post #294
xvector wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a terrible state. Infested with ultrawide roads and zero walkability. Women don't have bodily autonomy - imagine trying to raise a daughter in such an environment. I'd hope that alone would deter engineers with families from the state. Not to mention the a worthless human being of a governor. Backwards politics and ideals. It's a joke of a state, everything wrong with America hyper-concentrated on steroids.…

You need to spend less time on the internet. You’ve worked yourself into a frothy rage and I suspect the only think you know about the state is what you’ve read online. Go outside sometime, you may be surprised.

These laws and politics have real effects on people's lives. Just because you personally are comfortably removed from them doesn't mean that they aren't problems.
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