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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by bloopernova » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #68

corobo wrote: post #48

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> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

Yeah, sounds like an unregulated place for all the people who were thrown out by those with at least some ethics left. update: yeah, downvotes, whatever... "censorship" these days is often enough because people tell other people to use horse dewormer or drink bleach. It's not because they're having highly sophisticated discussions about global politics, but simply because they're actively harming people, spreading ha…

And the folks downvoting you would probably call themselves "free speech advocates".

Which in my experience means they speak from a position of high privilege to not see the massive negative effects of the hate speech they strive to protect. Or that their purpose on this site is to spread division and hate.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by tablespoon » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

kbenson wrote: post #369

tablespoon wrote: post #361

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> Also, for what it's worth I think they were trying to modulate that snark a bit by using "friend". The internet sucks for nuance, but "friend" in this context doesn't read as modulation to me, it reads as sarcasm (and thus intensifies the snark). Edit: Dropped a response that was due to a simple misreading. Sorry.

> The internet sucks for nuance, but "friend" in this context doesn't read as modulation to me, it reads as sarcasm (and thus intensifies the snark). It does suck for nuance. The safest and most useful thing to do here (as a place that tries to keep things civil) is to assume it's not snark and treat it as sincere. If it was sincere, treating it as if it's not is causing more of a problem, and if it's not, treating i…

> I think perhaps you misread me? I chose you as a representative comment to reply to because there were a few along similar lines. If it was just one, I probably wouldn't have bothered.

I did, sorry.

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Post by heavyset_go » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #278

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

If this is true there are several very large youtubers that are running illegal sweepstakes. Jake and Logan Paul for example.

If you suspect this, report them to the FTC.

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Post by mcguire » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:18 PM UTC

teakettle42 wrote: post #344

mcguire wrote: post #267

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(So we've already given up on "Truth is not determined by a list of approved opinions, it can only be revealed by rigorously disproving everything that opposes it" then. Fine. Truth is relative.) No, what I'm really asking is, "What happens if innocent people start being hurt by the lie?" What happens if you are seriously injured in an accident but cannot get medical help because the intensive care facilities are ful…

> No, what I'm really asking is, "What happens if innocent people start being hurt by the lie?" That would suggest we might benefit from a better mechanism for establishing the truth. The best mechanism we’ve come up with so far is open and vibrant debate. Do you have a better suggestion? > What happens if you are seriously injured in an accident but cannot get medical help because the intensive care facilities are f…

"The best mechanism we’ve come up with so far is open and vibrant debate.

"Do you have a better suggestion?"

I do not. But open and vibrant debate only works when people are capable of determining when the debate has been settled, at least for the moment. And are willing to accept the settled decision.

Have you ever had a serious chat with a creationist? Of course, there is no positive evidence that can disprove the young earth theory, any more than you can disprove solipsism. The creationist argument ultimately fails because of the implications of its own flexibility. I've known people who claim that the faster they drive, the better they drive. Or that they are perfectly safe to drive stoned or drunk. fortunately, in those cases culpability is, as you point out, is easy.

Anti-intellectualism comes in many varieties. Someone can be so skeptical that they do not accept any argument because, say, Big Media and The Man are out to oppress them...somehow. Someone else can be so un-skeptical as to believe the first comforting story that comes along in spite of any facts suggesting that reality is harsher.

Open and vibrant debate is the only way to establish the truth, but truth is not established by popularity, nor by who yells the loudest.

"The Rolling Stone story positing the above turned out to be entirely fabricated.

"How would you propose we stem misinformation like that Rolling Stone article?"

I have no idea what Rolling Stone article you are talking about. Is it one of these:

https://www.kwch.com/2021/08/25/family-mcpherson-man-dies-wa...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-covid-19-patient-unable-icu...

https://abc13.com/us-army-veteran-daniel-wilkinson-michelle-...

"Open and vibrant debate."

Not really an answer to my question, but I'm sure it's very comforting to intensive care patients spending hours to days on gurneys in hospital hallways.

https://www.wtvy.com/2021/08/18/alabamas-hospital-crisis-int...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/patients-being-tran...

Freedom is easy if it doesn't come with responsibility, precisely because culpability is often a nightmare to identify. How many people are you willing to injure or kill in the name of freedom?

Should we just get used to the fact that there are no limits on lies and an idea just dreamed up by some rando on the internet is just as true as something from a so-called expert?

If not, then what exactly are you proposing?

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Post by ashtonkem » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:24 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #337

ashtonkem wrote: post #321

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What’s particularly fascinating is how there is an almost complete absence of a leftist equivalent on YT. There are some leftist channels here and there, but you’re not going to get bombarded with communist ads after watching one video like you might on the right.

I like to tell myself that's because real lefties adhere to the doctrine of Gil Scott Heron, The Revolution Will Not be Televised, even though they won't understand 99% of the cultural references

I’m split between two causes myself.

1) The utter lack of support from monied interests.

2) The fact that leftists love nothing more than fighting slightly different types of other leftists.

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Post by ashtonkem » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:25 PM UTC

rjbwork wrote: post #336

ashtonkem wrote: post #321

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What’s particularly fascinating is how there is an almost complete absence of a leftist equivalent on YT. There are some leftist channels here and there, but you’re not going to get bombarded with communist ads after watching one video like you might on the right.

It's strictly a function of funding and the economic power of the interested parties. Rich capitalists are, naturally, invested in promoting policies, ideologies, and politicians that will 1) keep them being rich capitalists and 2) make them richer capitalists. I don't know, but am fairly confident in stating, that there are not rich communists waging a communistic propaganda campaign in order to keep them being rich…

You’re not wrong, but leftists also tend to spend an inordinate amount of energy and resources fighting internecine battles rather than trying to convert others. This does make it rather hard to do things like run self-reinforcing YT campaigns, assuming YT would tolerate them.

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Post by Bayart » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:27 PM UTC

enriquto wrote: post #49

Uehreka wrote: post #42

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If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

Ultra-famous accounts with zillions of subscribers are likely on a first-name basis with the youtube admins who cater to them. The move out of the platform will of course start from below.

Maybe Pewdiepie, but quite a few channels in the millions have hinted that getting through to a human was impossible without a Twitter campaign.

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Post by sophacles » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:28 PM UTC

numeromancer wrote: post #370

pwdisswordfish8 wrote: post #201

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Did Joe Rogan literally buy and eat something from a package that says "horse dewormer" on it? You willingly ignored the salient parts of the comment you responded to (ironically providing more evidence of the very phenomenon that they're trying to discuss).

No, it was prescribed by his doctor. Which brings up another point: some pharmacies are refusing to fill it, even when prescribed by a doctor. If you want to place the blame for people getting "horse dewormer", such pharmacies deserve part of the blame.

Too bad most of the people who want horse dewormer were the same people who wanted the "pharmacist conscience" laws that allow pharmacists to deny their veterinary prescriptions. Who would have thought that such a law would come back to bite them.

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Post by grishka » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:33 PM UTC

floatingatoll wrote: post #354

grishka wrote: post #244

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So maybe make all algorithm-generated decisions be vetted by a human.

The labor costs of that would destroy Google and Facebook. What a beautiful thing it would be to see, though.

Google and Facebook have more money than they know what to do with.

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Post by filmgirlcw » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:33 PM UTC

strainer wrote: post #366

joe_guy wrote: post #338

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> Given goals towards freedom of speech, some content won't align with you politically (and some might), but there's enough decent content that you can potentially use it as an alternative platform successfully. I find high curation is the only way I find a service like YouTube to be usable. There's an endless sea of content on there. It's not important that I agree with it or not, it's important if it's quality, whi…

The prominent Linux tech blogger, Bryan Lunduke left and denounced them this summer despite having been an early adopter and supporter. He had made a complaint on how they chose to give an exclusive spotlight to a partiuclarly trashy channel and then recieved a reply from their "Cheif Marketing Officer" which was itself shamelessly vulgar and trashy and boasted that such trash is "the Odysee Brand". Lundukes explaina…

I have no general opinion about Odysee/LBRY, except that I expect it to fair as well as every other blockchain buzzword bingo social thing and every other YouTube compete, which is to say, I expect it to never gain traction in any sizable way (I would certainly never choose it as a way to build my video audience), but if the argument against Odysee is that it is too permissive of what content it allows (and the line seems to be stuff that is maybe trashy and not like, beheadings), I have to think most of the potential users/creators see that as a good thing.

Like, if the worst thing you can say about it is that a guy that refuses to say “damn” or “shit” or “fuck,” is morally offended by some of the legal content, I’m not sure that will matter to people who are looking for a platform that won’t kick people off the platform for arbitrary reasons.