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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dexterdog »

kadoban wrote: post #214
timr wrote: post #146

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> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

That's a hell of a lot better than what we get now which is "we'll pick a single expert and nobody is allowed to question him because we know that his truth is the right truth."

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Post by [deleted] »

manigandham wrote: post #357
lamontcg wrote: post #286

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Yeah, he was always that way and he was always a gateway drug to the alt-right.

He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.

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Post by Clubber »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #284
ost-ing wrote: post #229

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Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not. You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-0…

>Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines, which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society This is my understanding as well, which was why I decided to get vaccinated. If avoiding infection is impossible in the long run, I should help my immune system prepare for it. I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get v…

>I wonder how differently things would be going if the campaign was "Covid is here to stay. You will get it. Get vaccinated."

I actually heard someone say that today, but I don't remember where. Maybe Breaking Points, but not sure.

I was certainly rattled when I saw amateur video of hospital workers stacking bodies in a freezer truck in NYC. They should do more like that. As morbid as it is, it gets the point across.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/disturbing-footage-shows-dead-...

This wasn't the one I saw but you get the idea.

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Post by mikepurvis »

paulpauper wrote: post #262
arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

the health experts a year ago said vaccines would make this go away, and before that they predicted that masks and social distancing would flatten the curve. With the exception of a few countries, none of that happened. At this ponit, I don't think anyone knows anything. due to rampant downvoting, I will respond to individual replies here: "This worked perfectly basically anywhere people actually complied. " Italy ha…

First, places with high vaccination rates are crushing it. There basically isn't a fourth wave in Waterloo Region [1], and we have 85% one dose, 78% two doses at present.

Second, those predictions were made ahead of a year of mutation— delta in particular.

[1]: https://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/health-and-wellness/posit...

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Post by Bhilai »

0xy wrote: post #300
arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

CDC is working with limited information on a novel virus. As they are learning more they are shifting their guidance to match the current understanding about how the virus spreads.

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Post by laurent92 »

ProAm wrote: post #184
laurent92 wrote: post #114

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I think he was promised $100m for the Spotify exclusivity. No multiplatform works better than $100m ;)

I think it was more than 100MM, he was making ~30MM per year on his own, and he signed a 3 year deal with Spotify. Im not sure why you'd sell for the exact amount you'd make if you just kept doing what you are doing with the exception of having to handle all advertising yourself and possible delisting/banning from YouTube.

So he was a unicorn? A startup valued at a billion dollars was supposed to be so rare that it’s a unicorn, and now people are doing that with a microphone in a cave ;) (or little more, but technically he’s one voice).

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Post by hombre_fatal »

handmodel wrote: post #218
jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

I think the model of giving away Joe Rogan to all users of Spotify (even if not paying subscribers) is worst of all worlds from a business POV. Think how many people still subscribe and pay over ten dollars a month to listen to Howard Stern. I subscribe to a few podcasts on patreon at $5 just for the few bonus episodes. And I have trouble believing the ad revenue Spotify gets for this is anywhere close to what paying…

Well, maybe it's more strategic than just short-term dollars and cents.

For example, there must be a lot of value in training people to use Spotify for podcasts at all, starting with the biggest podcast in the world. As more people use Spotify for podcasts, Spotify gets more and more power for future exclusivity negotiations.

Spotify was certainly just a music app for me until I had to start using it to listen to Joe Rogan, and it seems reasonable that the Joe Rogan move was to create this transition in Spotify users. They clearly don't just want to be a music app.

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Post by CydeWeys »

nradov wrote: post #322
Bud wrote: post #266

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Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

If you give a monkey a machine gun, and the monkey shoots someone, we don't blame the monkey. Society has always had court jesters who poke fun at authority. If you take health and epidemiology advice from a comedian then that's on you.

That metaphor doesn't work though because Joe Rogan is a person, not a monkey. Give a person a machine gun and if they shoot someone you do blame them.

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Post by pandeiro »

victor9000 wrote: post #346
arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

The problem people have with Joe Rogan, and everyone else like him, is that they're spreading misinformation without having an ounce of education in the subject at hand. People should be listening to the CDC, the FDA, getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and washing their hands. That is best solution we have to the problem, end of story. No amount of agreeable platitudes will make any difference if this disease continu…

The State is always benevolent and we should always believe and do everything they say. End of story.
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