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Post by _bfhp »

neolog wrote: post #303
_bfhp wrote: post #218

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Being r-ped is as normal and consequential as posing for an advertisement or dancing in a TikTok, is what you're saying?

Controlling children's social environment to direct them into emotional dependence on corporate stimulation is really harmful. Unfortunately MasterCard doesn't seem to be working on that problem.

Conservatism runs on the assumption that young girls and women are natural property of men (the father, then the husband) and so for many people, these are innocent daughters lost on OnlyFans. But no political faction is active on the issue of social media's damage to children since no one[0] is making the connection between Instagram and the uptick in suicide (and other results) in young girls. And I doubt many conservative fathers really care if their kid learns to wife from TikTok rather than Barbies

[0] with any power, that is -- there have been plenty of op-eds, but they exist to drive clicks from worrying parents, not to advance any call for material changes

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Post by _bfhp »

bsder wrote: post #370
_bfhp wrote: post #282

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How old does a person have to be to start deserving blame for their choices of sexual activity? Can you come off anonymous and let me know?

Countries have specific laws about age of consent. Being on the internet doesn't magically invalidate those laws.

My issue isn't that OnlyFans is trying to prevent content by minors, it's that kilroy thinks the minors are somehow to blame for "their [unclean] acts"

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Post by neolog »

_bfhp wrote: post #369
neolog wrote: post #334

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Do you think enjoying the product of all coerced labor is wrong, or only sexual coerced labor?

"Do you think all violence is wrong, or only murder?" Of course there are degrees. I don't really see the gotcha here -- if you found out your favorite anime or Pixar movie was animated by slaves, would you still be able to enjoy it?

It wasn't supposed to be a gotcha. Coerced work is bad, especially so if the work is damaging to the worker. My point is that this isn't specific to sex work. Products produced by workers under wage slavery can be avoided using supply chain management, while promoting ethical labor practices that permit workers security and independence. A tradeoff exists between reducing risk of nonconsenting work while enabling consenting work.

Similarly, policies are available that can enable safe and consensual sex work. Supposedly "well intentioned" policies that reduce workers' social and financial support system are moves in the wrong direction: abuse is enabled by isolation and marginalization.

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Post by marvin »

vbezhenar wrote: post #139
rendall wrote: post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

A generic argument: prostitution allows woman without any skills to earn plenty of money which might convince women do go this way even if they don't really enjoy it. The same argument could be made about IT. Prostitutes sell their private parts, programmers sell their brains.

>The same argument could be made about IT

The military is probably a better analogy. Well paid with few skills required to enter. High risk of permanent injury. Generally not reviled with paternalistic and degrading thoughts about those who choose to do it.

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Post by [deleted] »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #351
relax88 wrote: post #142

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Presumably because of the costs of verification and record keeping. A single adult video studio might have a maximum of a few hundred people who they have to keep records for. Those people are paid per shoot, and the content is owned by the studio. There is a high ratio of revenue to number of people whose records must be kept. On OnlyFans, they have a huge amount of people producing a small volume of content and mak…

That can't possibly be it. We're talking about a billion dollars business burning its main revenue source to the ground, and the main reason would be that they can't afford to do the easily-automated paperwork? The math doesn't make sense.

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Post by abrazame »

throw_awa123 wrote: post #149
rendall wrote: post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

This is just an opinion from a real world example: I've done some stripping when I was young. I did it because my gf was doing it and was making a lot of money. This was the only way we could make good money without breaking the law. I've met the most broken and scummy people there is during that time. It ultimately broke our 7 year relationship. You pay an emotional price for making easy money. You have to be very s…

I’m really interested in reading more of your story. Have you ever done a write up or a longer piece? Or is there one by someone else that you think is fairly on the mark?

Do you think there’s a way of mitigating the risk of being hurt / lowering the emotional price for sex work?

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Post by ABCLAW »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #248
justinator wrote: post #192

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That’s quite the axe to grind against journalists. Especially since their job is to ask questions. To think they’re a part of this mass conspiracy to take powerful entities down is laughable. My partner, a journalist, has gotten death threats just by being at peaceful protests against certain groups that have wealth and pull in the community - just because members of that org were certain the journalist was the main…

> Also I think you may have to look and see how much journalists make. To be so entrenched in a mass conspiracy that takes down whole networks of industry, I’d negotiate a better salary then the equivalent of $20/hour. This is like arguing that hooligans engaged in vandalism are virtuous because they're not millionaires. You're failing to distinguish between journalists publishing a balanced truthful article in which…

>"nice business you've got there, shame if someone were to publish a hit piece in a major media outlet."

I might be misreading this, but are you implying that a subset of journalists perform investigative journalism to engage in blackmail rather than to follow-up on a lead or hunch?

I think it's interesting that people believe that this is the ambit of journalists rather than short selling investor relations groups where it is literally their job to publish hit pieces about companies that are hopefully flawed, while taking a short position on their equity.

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Post by kilroy123 »

_bfhp wrote: post #372
bsder wrote: post #370

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Countries have specific laws about age of consent. Being on the internet doesn't magically invalidate those laws.

My issue isn't that OnlyFans is trying to prevent content by minors, it's that kilroy thinks the minors are somehow to blame for "their [unclean] acts"

Excuse me? Where did I said that? People are profiting off the sexual exploitation of minors.

You're just seeing what you want to see.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

yarcob wrote: post #170
surge wrote: post #143

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It's the same crap as the ad-pocalypse. Journalists with an agenda use a disingenuous tactic, if they have a problem with a person or entity, they'll call up their sponsors, business partners, vendors, etc, and say "we're writing an article on X's platform which has been found to have (controversial material framed in a negative context), are we to believe that you're supportive and would your company care to comment…

No. If a journalist asking uncomfortable questions about your business endangers your business, then the problem is not the journalist, the problem is your business. If a journalist blows a story out of proportion, then usually nothing happens and the story is forgotten after a few months. But in the porn hub story, the uncomfortable truth is that there was a lot of involuntary porn on the platform. The NYT story jus…

That's not really a fair claim. Journalists are human and some will do anything to up their game whether they're being honest or not or can corroborate their story. Thus they call it an opinion piece rather than "news". Whether that's the case here is up to anyone who wants to research it.

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Post by Chris2048 »

nybble41 wrote: post #365
Chris2048 wrote: post #231

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> true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself How about the argument that if prostitution is legal, it's possible for an illegally coercive (trafficked) business to pose as legitimate; whereas if prostitution is not legal, any appearance of prostitution can warrant scrutiny.

Too broad. "If selling jewelry is legal, it's possibly for a fence to pose as legitimate; whereas if selling jewelry is not legal, any appearance of selling jewelry can warrant scrutiny." Some people offer things for sale which they don't have any right to sell. That doesn't imply that those who do have that right should be prevented from exercising it just to make things easier for law enforcement. You do more direc…

But you can require jewelry sellers to keep records to prove their items are not stolen. How do you prove your prostitutes are no coerced?

Further, stealing is usually considered less severe than rape. At least people can take measures to prevent theft.

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