iDOS 2 will be gone soon • Hacker News Board

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Ndymium » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

johnsea wrote: post #356

Ndymium wrote: post #162

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With Sailfish you also have to give up all the security advancements in Android/iOS, in both good and bad. You can do what you want more freely, but also each app has equal access to all your data. Unless they've implemented some access control in the later versions, but I haven't heard about it.

I believe the permissions are more granular now but I didn't look into it in detail. See: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Android_Compatibility#Permission... , https://sailfishos.org/ (search for security) or https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-apps-permission/5466 .

That's pretty cool. Looks like it's not active for 3rd party SFOS apps yet, though: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-17th-...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by thebruce87m » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

rchaud wrote: post #361

benhurmarcel wrote: post #339

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There’s a lot of criticize Apple for, but they are among the best in the industry for supporting old mobile phones.

Apple giveth: firmware updates for 5 year old phones Apple taketh away: "Apple on Wednesday agreed to pay $113 million to settle consumer fraud lawsuits brought by more than 30 states over allegations that it secretly slowed down old iPhones, a controversy that became known as "batterygate. Apple first denied that it purposely slowed down iPhone batteries, then said it did so to preserve battery life amid widespread…

Extending the lives of phones with degraded batteries is a good thing. In fact, the feature still exists today.

The thing they did wrong was not telling people. Now they do.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by woojoo666 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

vanchor3 wrote: post #324

cronix wrote: post #306

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Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

Unfortunately that assumes the employer will provide the phone rather than going "this guy can't do his job because his phone is rooted?" and hiring someone else. Or that the employer knows what rooting even is.

Most companies ask you to install work profiles and such only after your sign on. It would be exceedingly petty of them to fire you for something like that, especially at a tech company that will definitely have the money to provide ~$300 work phones

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by woojoo666 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

thatguy0900 wrote: post #327

NmAmDa wrote: post #317

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You can install firefox beta or nightly and use developer tools access to add extension collection from your choice which will replace these recommended extensions. Note : you must create this collection on firefox addon or find existing one as you will need the collection ID.

Does anyone know what the benifit is to Firefox to create such a roundabout workaround? Why Google makes things difficult and obscure is clear, but why does Firefox care what add-ons you install on your phone?

afaik a lot of extensions aren't fully supported yet. I tried about a dozen different tab managers on FF Nightly, none of them worked. I'm guessing the Tab API or something isn't fully ported yet

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Post by NmAmDa » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

thatguy0900 wrote: post #327

NmAmDa wrote: post #317

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You can install firefox beta or nightly and use developer tools access to add extension collection from your choice which will replace these recommended extensions. Note : you must create this collection on firefox addon or find existing one as you will need the collection ID.

Does anyone know what the benifit is to Firefox to create such a roundabout workaround? Why Google makes things difficult and obscure is clear, but why does Firefox care what add-ons you install on your phone?

Majority of any browser users are not tech people so making these workaround easier would confuse those users as most of the plugins are not written with mobile aspects into consideration (Even their mobile API is not complete yet).

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Post by woojoo666 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

ubermonkey wrote: post #197

tempodox wrote: post #193

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I remember several articles from the time the iPad came out that phantasized about how the iPad could replace PCs (as in “Personal Computer”) one day, even from Steve Jobs. Today that idea looks nothing but ludicrous. It was Apple themselves that nipped that notion in the bud, no competition required. If you want to do anything other than gaming and media consumption, don't buy an iDevice.

Your bias is showing, as is your blinkered view of what's possible on an iPad. For many, many people, the iPad absolutely DOES replace having a traditional computer. The prediction came true. I rarely bother traveling with a laptop anymore unless I need to present or run demos. My iPad pro + the fancy keyboard case gives me insane portability and battery life plus access to all my files (via Dropbox), native Office,…

To be fair many, many people can also get everything done on their phone too. An ipad gives more screen space and better multitasking. A 2-in-1 (like a Surface Pro) gives even better multitasking and file management. It's all up to what you need.

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Post by partdavid » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

cronix wrote: post #306

only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297

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It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

Many people have to supply their own equipment to work, it's not unusual.

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Post by judge2020 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 11:04 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #355

deelowe wrote: post #229

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No. Just no... We need another PC revolution for phones. Not every problem has to be solved by force or coercion.

The problem with the iPhone is a problem of coercion. Apple is exerting legal power and the threat of force to prevent you from doing what you want with your phone pursuant to the DMCA. If there were no legal restrictions with what you're doing with you're phone, Apple would have a very hard time preventing you from doing what you want. Anyone could buy an exploit for iOS for a million and sell unlocks for 50$. There…

> Apple is exerting legal power and the threat of force to prevent you from doing what you want with your phone pursuant to the DMCA.

No. https://www.wired.com/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/

They simply make it technically infeasible to jailbreak since jailbreaks run untrusted code that bypasses security restrictions (eg. adware that survives resets).

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Post by phist_mcgee » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 11:38 PM UTC

southerntofu wrote: post #143

phist_mcgee wrote: post #111

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The noughties dream of 'digital natives' has not ever come to fruition. Children growing up around technology has not brought great understanding of computing/creating software, instead it has driven a race to the bottom for passive apps, with predatory attention grabbing mechanics.

Well it has to some extent, but that's the minority seeing through the matrix. Just yesterday, i was reading here on HN about someone who learned how to make websites using just a smartphone! I can't say i wasn't impressed. Also worth noting, we can still realize our dreams of digital natives around us. Build academies, hackerspaces and whatever kind of non-profit entity/space will enable you to teach hacking to unin…

I think what you say is true to an extent. The barrier to entry is significantly lowered thanks to the internet, so thankfully it's not just caucasian males at universities who have access (like during the first computing explosion in the 70s and 80s).

Sadly though I think that there will always be a significant majority of the population who don't care how their world works, and hope only to consume media and distractions to avoid the unpleasantness of our world.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by judge2020 » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 11:42 PM UTC

munificent wrote: post #290

daemoon wrote: post #130

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> How ridiculous is that! Not as ridiculous as being well aware of the limitations of iPhones wrt to installing applications outside of App Store and still buying one. People should vote with their wallets. Me personally I do not mind the limitations, but if you do - don't buy it.

> People should vote with their wallets. That only works in efficient markets, which, obviously phones are not. An oligopoly where the barrier of entry requires like a billion dollars to spin up new phone hardware, a new OS, and an app ecosystem is not a place where effective competition is going to occur.

If we require sideloading via untrusted sources, then that's just flipping the situation on its head to where, now, people who do want a phone with a single authority screening the entire software stack (from the bootrom to third party app code) don't have a phone to pick from that will suit their needs. With such a law, it becomes impossible to enter into the market at all with a product for these customers.