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Re: Brave Search beta

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I've been working on this private search engine https://private.sh/ for a while. It encrypts your query using client-side javascript so only the Gigablast search engine can read your query. And your query is delivered to Gigablast through an anonymizing proxy that is not in Gigablast's control. So you get TOR-like privacy. Also Gigablast's privacy policy https://gigablast.com/privacy.html shows that your query is not…

are u planning to add image search? also where is the source code?

Re: Brave Search beta

#372

Why should I switch to this from DuckDuckGo? What is the value proposition here that's somehow greater than it's alternatives (DDG, Searx, etc.)?

DDG is a great search engine, and we are very thankful for the movements they've brought about in the private search space. That said, Brave is developing its own, distinct index. A recent example of what this means is from the "Tank Man" results on Bing recently. When Bing returned no results, DDG also returned no results. Brave Search, on the other hand, continued serving up results. As was stated elsewhere, "we ar…

So when Brave use Bing as a third-party and Bing censors a result like tank man, how do you make sure it doesn't change anything at Brave? How does Brave ensure that what is pulled in from a third-party is 100% censorship free?

For example a search of "brave bat controversy" gives me the exact same top results on Brave search and Bing search. Are you saying this is not pulled from Bing?

Re: Brave Search beta

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You make it sound like Brave has intentionally done wrong; that isn't the case. Brave is designed in every way to preclude abuse from the design stage, and with a Can't Be Evil mindset, as opposed to the Don't Be Evil of Google. If you have questions about Brave, or Brave Search, we're always happy to chat. - 2018 Rewards Update documented at https://brave.com/rewards-update/ - Affiliate Codes explained at https://br…

> You make it sound like Brave has intentionally done wrong; They're not saying Brave did anything intentionally wrong, they're just big enough mistakes that it's not possible for them, personally, to trust the organization. > those are enough for me to choose not to trust them as an organization

then what about this?:

> On 6 June 2020, a Twitter user pointed out that Brave inserts affiliate referral codes when users type a URL of Binance into the address bar, which earns Brave money. Further research revealed that Brave redirects the URLs of other cryptocurrency exchange websites, too. In response to the backlash from the users, Brave's CEO apologized and called it a "mistake" and said "we're correcting".

Seems intentional... Don't insult our intelligence and tell us that this was an "accident" or "unintended mistaken".

Re: Brave Search beta

#375
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After using the duck for a couple of years, I have become better at two things: - Reading man pages or official documentation sites before opening a search engine - Thinking of more precise search keywords, as I got used to duck not helping me as much as google

Along these lines I use ddg’s bangs for the same benefit. So many searches for Python help are filled with very shallow intros on tutorial sites of varying quality with the official docs rarely the first result. Now I just prefix my query with !py and I’m immediately taken to the docs.

Brave Search supports !bangs ;)

Re: Brave Search beta

#376

brave used to redirect users when they visit crypto websites to their referral link so they earn money. Do u really trust a company that would do that?

More than I trust Google, yes. Which is what the overwhelming majority of people are using.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Do events show up on Google search that quickly, and in turn, get censored that quickly? I saw the video of what you are referring to on Twitter. Just searched on Google, "alameda twerking", and the first four results I see are for this incident.

Well I'd be interested in hearing how Brave search was able to surface results faster than Google yesterday... YouTube (another Alphabet echo chamber) was/is also removing video of the ambulance incident, so it was definitely on the big tech thought police radar.

They get it from Bing.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

> Brave can anonymously check our search results against third-party results

Why are we OK with these free services literally stealing Google results? Could you imagine the backlash if it was discovered that Google was doing the same for its results by stealing from DDG or another, smaller player?

Re: Brave Search beta

#379

> On 6 June 2020, a Twitter user pointed out that Brave inserts affiliate referral codes when users type a URL of Binance into the address bar, which earns Brave money. Further research revealed that Brave redirects the URLs of other cryptocurrency exchange websites, too. In response to the backlash from the users, Brave's CEO apologized and called it a "mistake" and said "we're correcting". Brave is just a "pop-priv…

That's not accurate. Brave offered affiliate link options to users who were searching for particular terms (screenshot: https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/image3.png). These were presented to users as a way of optionally supporting Brave development. Our mistake was matching fully-qualified URLs too (screenshot: https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/image2-1.png). When we were made aware of this, we corrected the issue promptly. No revenue was made from this feature either. No user data was involved. No privacy or security was compromised. This was nothing more than traffic attribution as a means of optionally supporting an open-source, free-to-use browser. Read more about this feature at https://brave.com/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/.

Compare this with traffic attribution in other browsers: open Firefox and begin typing a search query. If you monitor your network activity, you'll find that your keystrokes are not only sent to Google behind the scenes, but those requests also contain an identifier so that Firefox gets paid for sending you and your queries to Google. Brave users were shown the affiliate options before any network activity. Read more at https://brave.com/popular-browsers-first-run/.

As for the question of privacy, Brave was compared to Chrome, Firefox, and more in a review by Trinity College in Dublin, and they found that Brave exists uniquely in its own category as the "most private" browser tested. Read their technical paper here: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf.

Re: Brave Search beta

#380

I wish them luck. More competition in search is welcome. I don't think I will use it very often though because accuracy in search results trumps any concern I have with privacy online that I get from using google or bing.

But which is more accurate google or bing? Having used DDG (~bing) for a few years now, at first I felt it was inferior, but I stuck with it for the privacy. Now I feel it's roughly equal, depending on the query. Google is full of spammy SEO content, where as DDG elevates niche content (probably more because it's not targeted by SEO spam, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt) I feel it's somewhat impossible to…

> Now I feel it's roughly equal, depending on the query

As someone who is trying to switch to DDG for the 10th time, I really wish I felt this way. My experience is so different. Right now I’m at the “g! Everything” stage. Which comes right before the “give up and just switch back to google” stage. DDG results are seriously so bad. It baffles me.

I really want to remove google completely from my life. Search and YouTube are the only two things holding me back. And neither have any competition that is even remotely close imo.

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