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Post by fragmede »

bamboozled wrote: post #354
bongoman37 wrote: post #302

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I know well connected people in Delhi who are advisors to the Health ministry and they are unable to find beds for their relatives. Things are truly fucked.

A colleague at my work from Hyderabad's cousin has it, I don't know how wealthy he is, but he got a bed yesterday in a "good" hospital, I guess there are some areas which are way more affected then others?

Luck and that anecdote doesn't make for information. I'm glad that person has a bed, but it doesn't tell me how people there are, possibly many, possibly none, in Hyderabad in need of a bed that can't get one.

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Post by pknerd »

The problem with subcontinent countries is that their citizens mostly believe in pseudo science promoted by religious celebrities. Yesterday I was reading that Baba Ram Dev has suggested to inhale olive oil which will push covid-19 virus in stomach where it'd be killed by stomach acid. Such ppl exist here in Pakistan too one way and other and I see ppl don't bother to use masks when going mosques. Not sure what kind of stuff do these guys smoke.

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Post by lolthishuman »

vram22 wrote: post #332
lolthishuman wrote: post #153

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So based on a belief you don’t actually understand. Got it.

Fool or troll or prejudiced frigtard that you undoubtedly are, where, above, have I said that I don't understand it? If I haven't said it, it is your wrong understanding or claim (unless there is good evidence), which is why I 'decorated' you with those above adjectives :), just as you implied wrong shit about me. Dry up and blow away, weakling. Don't pollute this space for your pathetic ego-boosting kicks. Update: A…

You sound just like a religious zealot.

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Post by fred_is_fred »

pknerd wrote: post #372

The problem with subcontinent countries is that their citizens mostly believe in pseudo science promoted by religious celebrities. Yesterday I was reading that Baba Ram Dev has suggested to inhale olive oil which will push covid-19 virus in stomach where it'd be killed by stomach acid. Such ppl exist here in Pakistan too one way and other and I see ppl don't bother to use masks when going mosques. Not sure what kind…

It's also a problem in the United States - led by Dr Oz and Fox News

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Post by mikem170 »

supernovae wrote: post #241
KorematsuFred wrote: post #232

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I was born poor. One american idea that does resonate with me after coming to USA is that a lot of poor people do not see themselves as poor. While their struggles are real they do not see themselves as losers but rather see themselves as strugglers who will eventually make it some day. They make life better for themselves and others. That was the case with my family. We lived in a house whose floor was basically pai…

There is a HUGE difference in accepting a dole because you're shut down for the survival of your species and can't work vs how you see yourself functioning in a society where you can work.

> shut down for the survival of your species

Do you really believe the survival of our species is at stake?

There have been 1754 covid-19 deaths per million people in the USA since the start of the pandemic [0], a seemingly reliable number. That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks.

Part of the problem may be that not everyone is that scared. Living in democracies we need to respect that.

[0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Post by [deleted] »

chrismat wrote: post #225
grecy wrote: post #221

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> Meanwhile Texas, the poster-child for bad behaviour, is headed back to normal. Fifty THOUSAND people died in Texas. I'm not sure how anyone can hold it up as a *good" comparison.

The population of Texas is 29,000,000 - so even (incorrectly) assuming that these 50,000 people died exclusively from Covid and not compounded by several co-morbities... that's 0.17% of the state's population. And even as a factor of the number of cases in TX (2.84mil, last check), that comes to 1.7%.

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Post by mikem170 »

helloworld11 wrote: post #313
chrismat wrote: post #225

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The population of Texas is 29,000,000 - so even (incorrectly) assuming that these 50,000 people died exclusively from Covid and not compounded by several co-morbities... that's 0.17% of the state's population. And even as a factor of the number of cases in TX (2.84mil, last check), that comes to 1.7%.

Thank you, a little dose of practical perspective with numbers, instead of all-caps hysteria with descontextualizad mentions of thousands.

I second this - I also appreciate the numbers. Another way to look at this (29 million people in Texas, 50k deaths) is that 1 of every 580 people in Texas died of covid. Just a tiny bit better than the national average.

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Post by whimsicalism »

mshroyer wrote: post #349
devdas wrote: post #315

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Shipping vaccines and materials needed for vaccine manufacture would be a good start. Reversing this would be good too. https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/11/rich_countries_block_...

And here's a good article explaining why waiving vaccine intellectual property rights is a misguided area of focus: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/15/vaccine-co...

Only if you take a constrained view of what constitutes "property rights."

The emergence of an even worse variant is potentially catastrophic, at least economically - our government can compel Pfizer or Moderna to release the details of the vaccine production process to producers in developing nations or publicly.

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Post by InvertedRhodium »

majoram wrote: post #341
ryandrake wrote: post #337

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So, you shouldn't have laws at all, because they're enforced unevenly against some races? Is that what you're saying? I'm outspoken against police overreach and misconduct and even I won't go that far.

I wouldn't say that we shouldn't have laws. I just think it would be best for society if we avoided doing shit that will cause more riots. I think it's called consequentialism? Not sure. Whether or not it's a good idea to arrest/fine people who don't wear masks, I know for a fact that it will lead to disproportionately more black and brown people being at best fined/harrassed or at worst killed by police. So I am aga…

> Whether or not it's a good idea to arrest/fine people who don't wear masks, I know for a fact that it will lead to disproportionately more black and brown people being at best fined/harrassed or at worst killed by police. So I am against it.

In the context of the US, how does this differ from any other law? It sounds to me like this would lead to a situation where if people make it difficult enough to enforce the law then that law will stop applying to them.

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Post by majoram »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #379
majoram wrote: post #341

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I wouldn't say that we shouldn't have laws. I just think it would be best for society if we avoided doing shit that will cause more riots. I think it's called consequentialism? Not sure. Whether or not it's a good idea to arrest/fine people who don't wear masks, I know for a fact that it will lead to disproportionately more black and brown people being at best fined/harrassed or at worst killed by police. So I am aga…

> Whether or not it's a good idea to arrest/fine people who don't wear masks, I know for a fact that it will lead to disproportionately more black and brown people being at best fined/harrassed or at worst killed by police. So I am against it. In the context of the US, how does this differ from any other law? It sounds to me like this would lead to a situation where if people make it difficult enough to enforce the l…

I wish it wasn't like this, but it is what it s.
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