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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by throwawaygal7 »

airhead969 wrote: post #126
keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

Love the line about calling. People in this thread dont get it - if you're going to triage me against your other priorities, and if you dont care enough about our friendship to try to pickup when I call - you're not really a friend. We can still be friendly, but you're too self obsessed and 'busy' (in the inorganic, modern sense) to really be a friend

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Post by aembleton »

imaginationra wrote: post #317
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #100

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> its just not playing in the sandboxes everyone else is playing in Where is it playing?

You have to pull to find it- we live in a push world now and that's why all you see is the same old crap- because people aren't searching new works out- they are just sitting around letting curators and algo's push it to them.

How do you "pull to find it"? If I search on DDG then an algorithm orders the results.

Do you expect me to type in random urls to see what comes up?

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Post by intricatedetail »

krapp wrote: post #303
intricatedetail wrote: post #299

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Yet there are groups here that tend to downvote certain not necessarily evil views to oblivion. For example if you support capitalism and in context write your opinion in favour of some events, expect a rain of downvotes or if you dare to criticise Apple. Quite ironic.

I don't see any particular irony. Hacker News has always accepted that downvotes for any reason are allowed, because upvotes for any reason are allowed. It's not surprising that in a contrarian culture, casual downvotes would be commonplace.

There are PR companies but also individual groups that monitor and downvote certain views on a daily basis.

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Post by throwaway346434 »

airhead969 wrote: post #197
wussboy wrote: post #174

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I hadn't heard "antisocial media" before but I love it

The antisocial social club most def raises the Jolly Roger flag against "social" media. ;-] At some point, I just want a private platform that is paid for using microcredits, no ads/data harvesting, requires verified named people with faces (improved communication quality), connections only stay alive if you actually interact with them IRL, doesn't automatically share everything with everyone in a single context, and…

Your problem is one of overfiltering though.

How many times have you googled an obscure error, to find no answers?

And then after some time... you solve it, and want to add a comment or make it easier for the next lost soul...and its non trivial.

I would argue for a large amount of problems that are interesting to people doing practical things, you want to allow drop ins to your community. How you keep the riff raff out is then unsolvable.

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Post by sdwr »

coldtea wrote: post #370
agumonkey wrote: post #289

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I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. they're parasite leeching on your human needs. When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

> I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. Nonetheless, they do. Medium is the message and all that.

mcluhan, whoo!

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Post by SyzygistSix »

One aspect of present-day counterculture that differentiates it from the past is the lack of focus on individualism. Individualism as culture has been sold back to us so often its relevance is necessarily less important now. Which may be another reason why it is difficult to find. It's also genuinely more scary than a loner in a leather jacket, in front of his car, selling rock and roll, hamburgers and Coke. In the past it was easier because the the counterculture was easy to find - follow the well-worn path of individualism to the last corners of censored culture. Now that those paths are almost entirely explored, finding a different, more inspired counterculture is much more difficult.

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Post by SyzygistSix »

8ytecoder wrote: post #359
Jtsummers wrote: post #345

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Turn off notifications. Text is inherently asynchronous letting you answer when you can. Phone calls that aren’t for a conversation are much more intrusive.

Exactly. Texting gives control to the receiver on how and when to respond. Calling takes away that control. I wish voice messages were more common though. In iMessage you could simply place your phone near your ear and start talking to send a voice message. I don’t see many people use that or even aware of that.

Yep. For these reasons I find texting more respectful of other people's time and more polite.

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Post by naveen99 »

krick wrote: post #284
airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

Voice can be asynchronous as well: https://youtu.be/yg-TqEFYcfM

What you really want is a secretary between you and everyone else.

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Post by SyzygistSix »

helen___keller wrote: post #18

I think this is the biggest takeaway for me: > We saw this dynamic metastasize in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, when well-intentioned claims of “silence is violence” (recalling the powerful 1987 ACT-UP “Silence = Death” campaign) spiraled into calling out individuals with even a small following who hadn’t come forward with a timely public statement of solidarity or remorse. Yet public posts were subject to popul…

>n fact, I'd argue that mainstream social media can never be countercultural.

I would say that is pretty much true by definition. Online countercultural elements are open source software and other collaborative platforms like Bandcamp and similar sites where people are trading tracks and what they have created. Torrenting is still countercultural. What the counterculture has in common now is that while the individualism is still present in the creation of music/software and the political/social choice to collaborate, the collective action of collaboration is the focus of attention, not individual fashion and identity. That kind of individualism has been sold back to us ad nauseum and its apotheosis is Instagram.

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