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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

tester756 wrote: post #230
visarga wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like when you solve the arithmetic problem with algebra and the teacher says it's wrong because you didn't use the official method?

on the test that's testing whether you're proficent with _official method_? or maybe because your _official method_ was "under some assumptions" or "by guessing that" I've heard that complain countless times from friends and I think always the reason was that it wasn't formally correct.

Why do you need to use a specific method to solve a problem?

Especially with something broad like algebra, there are often many ways to solve a problem.

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Post by screye »

throwgender123 wrote: post #212

I've noticed throughout my life that negative outcomes that primarily affect females (math test scores, wage gap, etc) are Huge Problems That Demand Immediate Action, and negative outcomes that primarily affect males (language test scores, life expectancy gap) are just kind of how it is. I'm not bitching about it or pushing an agenda, but it's not subtle.

As long as males have to compete to woo females, the natural order will persist.

Every species on earth shows us this: "males are disposable, females matter". A 1M:100F ratio can revive an extinct species. A 1F:100M ratio is a blood bath. There are zero incentives for powerful men to help underperforming men, while women have neither natural nor sociological pressures stopping them from helping other women.

For better or for worse, we are barreling towards a point where male underachievement won't be ignorable. More than 50% of women will have to 'settle' for a man with worse career prospects. Scarily enough, if women choose to continue acting oblivious while wielding their primary evolutionary bargaining chip (¯\_(ツ)_/¯) to their fullest, then at least a couple of generations of men will waste away before a proper equilibrium is reached.

Ofc, this is a hypothesis that leans too heavily into our animalistic tendencies and their stranglehold over all societal developments. I also don't want this to come off as an MRA rant. Just a few ideas I wanted to put out there.

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Post by protomyth »

aviraldg wrote: post #113
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

I don't agree with the rest of your comment (my school had a pretty even mix of male and female teachers), but anecdotally the primary difference between boys and girls was exactly what you mentioned: the former were more likely to skip classes, study things that were not in the syllabus (which helps sometimes), not maintain notes as well, etc. whereas the latter would typically follow the syllabus, teachers' instruc…

In the US, https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm shows that female teachers are 98.8% of preschool and kindergarten teachers and 79.6% of elementary and middle school teachers.

If your school had a pretty even mix of male and female teachers then your school was the exception.

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Post by pmarreck »

tompazourek wrote: post #161
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

Girls the same age are more mature than boys. They develop differently. Maybe that's a factor?

I see a lot of people in this thread speaking in generalities or correlations around gender.

Is this OK, or not? I thought it wasn't OK, so I tend to avoid it, even if I think some of it may be true, but isn't stereotyping anyone based on attributes something we are trying NOT to do?

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Post by blaser-waffle »

whimsicalism wrote: post #310
mattmcknight wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I'd assume most school administrators are women. > At least in the United States, this isn’t at all true. 54% female, 46% male https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cls.asp

Interesting. Based on that data, this has likely flipped since most commenters here were in school.

My wife was a teacher and she noted that most over her male colleagues were leaving, especially in on the elementary and middle school level.

Too many assumptions or allegations, plus the perception that guys can't be nurturing.

Most of the men still in education were older and were able to migrate away from day-to-day teaching into admin roles. In 20 years those guys will be gone and there won't be any male teachers to replace them.

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Post by [deleted] »

dominotw wrote: post #183
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

Do you think it has anything to do with girls having better handwriting. I couldn't improve my handwriting for the life of me when i was in school and got really poor grades from teachers not being able to read what i was writing.

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Post by pmarreck »

0xy wrote: post #301
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

Don't forget that teachers give artificially low marks to boys for identical work. [1] [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672

Why is this getting downvoted?

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Post by protomyth »

odiroot wrote: post #138
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

> Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. That was definitely the case for me until university.

Education and childcare administrators are 66.5% women in the USA according to https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by learn_more »

firefoxd wrote: post #37

This is anecdotal but I'm sure many people are seen this increasingly. In the past 10 years on the job, I'm seeing more guys make jokes about how stupid they are. Every time they make a single mistake they say "oh my God, if my head wasn't attached to my shoulders..." Then it becomes a competition of who has done the dumbest thing. I know it's just being playful, but you rarely see the opposite. Turn the tables, I wa…

Only confident people mock themselves.

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Post by abhyudaya63 »

hntrader wrote: post #325

This could be a consequence of the variability hypothesis[1] interacting with the way grades are distributed. If grades tend to have a lot of negative skewness, that means that it pays to be in a group that has the least number of extreme underperformers, since your group's outperformers are handicapped due to the upper bound existing near the mean. That means we expect men to underperform in domains that have lots o…

Variability hypothesis seems to downplay the cultural aspects a lot. Males were generally thought to have better visual sense of an object but the advantage was nullified when females were tested with objects that they are most familiar with.

And you are right that we should check for inter-country data. It will provide a more accurate view.

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