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Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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I don't understand the fear of Google from FitBit users in these comments. Google has a clear user agreement with how they use your data, including not selling it - and they rely on users trusting them. I'd rather my data be with one of the tech giants than a unprofitable start up

Not selling it doesn't matter to me because the company that I'm afraid of ending up with my data -- ie the company I don't want others to sell their data to -- is Google itself. You have to ask yourself, why don't we want companies to sell our data in the first place? What's wrong with a third party having it? Its out of fear of them abusing that data. So then you have to ask yourself, what counts as abuse? To me, i…

> To me, its any time a company uses the data against me, in order to make me spend money or buy products.

Genuine question - have you had many experiences where you bought something due to a highly targeted ad and shortly after regretted the purchase?

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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Not selling it doesn't matter to me because the company that I'm afraid of ending up with my data -- ie the company I don't want others to sell their data to -- is Google itself. You have to ask yourself, why don't we want companies to sell our data in the first place? What's wrong with a third party having it? Its out of fear of them abusing that data. So then you have to ask yourself, what counts as abuse? To me, i…

> To me, its any time a company uses the data against me, in order to make me spend money or buy products. Genuine question - have you had many experiences where you bought something due to a highly targeted ad and shortly after regretted the purchase?

Not knowingly, in that I don't remember ever clicking on such an advert and then purchasing something. But its impossible to tell if they've primed me to buy something later.

But just because I try to be vigilant and also try to block adverts, doesn't mean that I should be ok with them having my data. Just because they haven't figured out a way to trick me yet doesn't mean they won't later or that they won't become even more egregious later. Besides, its a business model I find unethical, so I want to distance myself from it as much as possible, and them not having data on me is part of that.

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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> To me, its any time a company uses the data against me, in order to make me spend money or buy products. Genuine question - have you had many experiences where you bought something due to a highly targeted ad and shortly after regretted the purchase?

Not knowingly, in that I don't remember ever clicking on such an advert and then purchasing something. But its impossible to tell if they've primed me to buy something later. But just because I try to be vigilant and also try to block adverts, doesn't mean that I should be ok with them having my data. Just because they haven't figured out a way to trick me yet doesn't mean they won't later or that they won't become e…

Got it. Yeah, I find highly-targeted ads to be creepy as well, and started using ffx with adblock for all browsing. I use Chrome for logged-in web use (gmail, fb, etc).

I don't get relevant ads anymore, but instead I get lowest-common-denominator ads. It's... worse!

I don't like the idea of targeted ads, but the consequence feels pretty minimal I have to say. The worst thing that happens is I buy a product that I turn out not to be happy with / wasn't worth the money?

If regretted purchases were rampant it'd be a problem worth solving, but it doesn't seem to be.

Just some thoughts I've been exploring. I'm not exactly planning on going back to wilfully being tracked.

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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>...media controls easily accessible - on Apple Watch, they’re always moving and hard to get back to especially during a workout. Swipe right from workout screen. (Finger moves right to left... not sure if that is swipe right or left :)

Thank you so much! I’ve had my watch for 4 months, I don’t know why I didn’t see that earlier. I have been going to the app switcher this whole time.

One other thing is the big (non knob) button brings up three apps and somehow I have it so now playing is always one of them. Can’t remember how I set that up though. (Doesn’t help when someone keeps texting me and I want to stop the audio.)

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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Reading, and I guess I'll take the time to explain why it works this way. Unfortunately I have to keep it at fairly high level. Long story short, we don't trust the transport mechanisms by which our customer's data gets from their wrist to our backend. As such, we securely encrypt it on the device and that encrypted payload can only be decrypted once it's on our servers. At that point it becomes available to be fetch…

What about...just providing a desktop app to receive all the data and do all the computation needed? Or the same thing in your phone. What are the exact dangers of these two approaches? And dangers to whom?

Then they would have those keys. Phone security has gotten a lot better in 14 years, but it hasn’t always been great, and desktop security is still not so awesome.

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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Nest was acquired and was already a mature and popular product. They by no means built it from scratch. And enterprise server products are probably outside the scope of what we are talking about, which is consumer electronics. I can build you a pretty decent server pretty quickly. I wouldn't know where to start to create a smart watch that had good battery life, great screen, great app ecosystem, great sensors, and d…

> Nest was acquired and was already a mature and popular product. They by no means built it from scratch. Sure, but they did come in and add real innovation to the product; for example, adding a secret microphone that wasn't disclosed to the customer.

Wow is this real? Crazy Google!

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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They nailed the Nexus 7, but that was a while ago (2012 and 2013) EDIT - never mind, Asus made both of those

Were you thinking of the 2012 Nexus 7 with the poor-quality NAND that went bad within a couple years, rendering the tablet useless? Or the 2013 that had phantom/unregistering input due to (IIRC) general build-quality and flex issues? Asus did make both, but I'm not sure either was as good as you recall, sadly.

2012 Nexus 7 was the best tablet there was at that time. Yes it started working really slow after few years, but I still have it in my drawer, unfortunately something went wrong after 7 years and it either doesn't charge or the screen died.

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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Somehow I feel Google has no real plans for Fitbit and Fitbit will just disappear. Google isn't great at devices.

I understand you, but I love my Pixel series devices. Every other one had some compromise that I did not agree with, but on the whole they have been good for me. You may point to other competitive devices that do things better, but I think that just shows how hard it is to compete in the smartphone business.

Pixel phones are the best Android phones because they come closest to pure Android experience and have the best smart-phone update policy outside of the iOS eco-system.

Unfortunately they don't move any significant units because Google doesn't know how to market them, sell them or distribute them ... because Google is bad at devices.

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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I'm not really trying to come out against Netflix here, but I personally think their desire to compete with every other way one could spend their time doesn't have human's best interests at heart. I recognize the agency (most) everyone has to spend their time as they will, but I don't like how I feel mentally if all my free time gets sucked into consuming content. YMMV

But YouTube is ok? At least Netflix asks you every few hours if you’re still alive. YouTube will happily play you videos forever. And they’re only a sliver of the company.

I didn't say that. The GP specifically asked about Apple and Netflix phrased in such a way that Google was already assumed to be 'evil'. I was just giving my 2 cents about how even benign seeming services have their own considerations.

Re: Fitbit is now officially part of Google

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But YouTube is ok? At least Netflix asks you every few hours if you’re still alive. YouTube will happily play you videos forever. And they’re only a sliver of the company.

> YouTube will happily play you videos forever That's actually not true, at least in playlists. I regularly get the "Are you still watching" or whatever it is for YouTube when I put on music playlists.

YouTube also now has the ability to toggle Autoplay from the player, whereas that setting is more hidden in Netflix.
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