Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

371–380 of 1001 posts

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#371

Post by maxerickson »

gfodor wrote: post #333

I guess my issue with this is while I can understand the reasoning, isn’t the logical conclusion to this that the entire chain of technology involved in communication tools today theoretically can provide each company involved a veto based on what those bits are causing on humans? If your CPU detects hate speech, should it be able to shut down and refund your money? If your operating system does? I understand there i…

It seems to be the current legal situation that internet service providers can choose who they do business with.

That doesn't mean that is the only possible regulatory regime, or that it is an inevitable path to some particular outcome.

Is there some carrot we could feed AWS to get them to give up the choice of who to do business with?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#372

Post by nr2x »

mjfl wrote: post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

I'm a fairly active Twitter user and I experience it solely via the mobile website as I try to reduce the number of apps I install (and data I expose to said apps), so I don't actually think this is as monumental as people act. Furthermore, I downloaded Parler to see how it works and it's actually a pretty bad experience, janky UI, crazy latency, bad search - they've got bigger problems than the App Store.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#373

Post by sigstoat »

the folks you don't want talking are still talking, they're just doing it where you can't see it, any more.

your plan to ban them off all of the places where you're paying attention has been clear to them for years, and as much as you like to pretend your political enemies are stupid, they are not.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#377

Post by justinzollars »

The United States is done. The tools that this community is building to enable political censorship will surely come back to you.

You can call this Democracy. But this feels like Authoritarianism.

I'm so disappointed in Silicon Valley and those in the Hacker News Community that are stamping out free expression. Shame on you.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#379

Post by avianlyric »

DJPocari wrote: post #187

Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

> Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet?

Is this censorship? Looks to like someone saying they don’t want to host someone else’s crap.

It would be a form of censorship if private companies were forced to host content they didn’t want to host.

> Giant corporations aren’t simply following court orders, they are acting on their own now. This is problematic for a multitude of reasons. The precedent has been established.

I think this is a completely different problem that stems from anti-competitive behaviour. If we’re unhappy with a few large companies acting as extra-judicial gatekeepers, then we should break them up and increase competition and diversity in the market.

If they hold a natural monopoly, then we should make them utilities, and make it explicitly clear that government is controlling their behaviour, and concepts like the 1st amendment should apply to them.

What we shouldn’t do is try to fix this problem by having governments force private companies to host certain content. For the same reason we don’t want governments forcing private individuals to express certain speech.

Post reply on HN