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My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Post by abawany »

CameronNemo wrote: post #359
nly wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually want to switch to O365/outlook for my family domain name but refuse on principle because even with O365 Premium they require you to transfer your domain to GoDaddy... At the moment I'm with Fastmail, but the pricing isn't so competitive

>they require you to transfer your domain to GoDaddy Not according to this page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/use-your-own-doma...

But isn't that product ("Outlook Premium") closed off to new subscribers since 2017? (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/outlook-com-premi... ) I also had a similar experience to the parent poster, i.e. MS support required transferring the domain to godaddy before one could use it for Outlook if using a consumer-focused O365 plan.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Post by jerry80 »

handedness wrote: post #170
_jal wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one reason I will not give out a phone number for the vast majority of services. If that means I can't use something, so be it. Building proprietary, impossible-to-understand Rube Goldberg mechanisms based on associations between accidental aspects of my life (location:phone number pairs, for instance) is not a security system, it is a design for randomly fucking me over. If your system is designed to fuck me…

I'm locked out of a Google account I configured without a phone number. It won't let me reset to email, and when I provide a new number it does no good. The capriciousness that one often finds on a company like Google that means whatever they allow now isn't necessarily going to be honored in six months.

Same thing happened to me when I changed ISPs. I never lost my password, but Gmail locked me out anyway.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Post by abawany »

nly wrote: post #234
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #208

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I prefer to pay someone... okay, anyone , who isn't Google. Fastmail, O365, Proton, whatever. Solves the problem and supports non-Google options.

I actually want to switch to O365/outlook for my family domain name but refuse on principle because even with O365 Premium they require you to transfer your domain to GoDaddy... At the moment I'm with Fastmail, but the pricing isn't so competitive

I've been on Mailbox.org for a while now while co-evaluating others. Apart from a few UI quirks and slow-ish support, the service has been rock solid and nice. It also supports push email for ios devices.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Post by abawany »

criley2 wrote: post #308
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #8

I’ve had similar experiences with other google products: My mom forgot her gmail password and no longer had the same mobile number for a reset, the secondary reset option was set to my email but would not send a reset despite this. We had a live session via thunderbird but there were no channels of support. Luckily we were able to register her old mobile number to achieve a password reset, thanks to a helpful phone p…

This is not what you want to hear, but if you pay Google you can get very quick support. The Google One product which includes cloud space and other features includes phone support for Google products. Turns out, when you use free services, you don't get support, but when you pay them even just like ~$1/mo (I think my Google One for more photo space in the cloud is $15/yr?) they'll pick up the phone and answer anythi…

I have Google One as well and while the support is quick, I don't have a good impression of their effectiveness when I asked a few basic questions (e.g. while GPhotos uses my overall quota, is its content accessible from GDrive)

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Post by rvense »

sofixa wrote: post #277
dandare wrote: post #34

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Anti-monopoly laws exist for a reason. Splitting Google (and other IT monopolies) is the only remedy their monopolistic behaviour.

In theory, yes, but in practice, especially in Google's case, that won't work. YouTube could probably survive on its own ( due to the astronomical costs associated we can't be sure unless Google share more numbers), but no other part of Google's consumer-oriented services, and even some of their business oriented ones ( G Suite/Workspace/whatever it's called this week) can't be profitable, ever, and are only subsidis…

Two words: forced interoperability.

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Post by fsckboy »

billllll wrote: post #134
zaroth wrote: post #16

Google is doing a terrible job at it’s core responsibility. I look forward to watching the company falter over the coming decade. Switching costs for a search engine are pretty damn low. And yet their search product is littered with crap and exploits users like only a monopolist would. Ideally they’ll continue burning goodwill by doing things like adding some fact-checking or censorship “features” into Gmail, delisti…

> Google is doing a terrible job at it’s core responsibility I'm not quite sure what Google's "core responsibility" here is, besides to make money while meeting some bare minimum threshold for not harming society. They certainly don't owe you a perfect search service for free, just like you don't owe it to them to use their search service.

you jumped in to make your laissez faire argument (only tool, hammer), but if you reread what you are responding to, he's making a free market argument himself so in this case he's turning a screw and you can put your hammer away.

Re: My Google Traffic Has Fallen to Zero

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Post by mixmastamyk »

dsnr wrote: post #258
_jal wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one reason I will not give out a phone number for the vast majority of services. If that means I can't use something, so be it. Building proprietary, impossible-to-understand Rube Goldberg mechanisms based on associations between accidental aspects of my life (location:phone number pairs, for instance) is not a security system, it is a design for randomly fucking me over. If your system is designed to fuck me…

> I would prefer to use something else, thanks. What is the alternative to Gmail? Genuinely interested. I'd be willing to switch if I found a future-proof email solution for both personal and business usage.

Get a domain at namecheap, plus email. Ten or twenty a year. Web and thunderbird support. Become the customer instead of the product.

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Post by MauranKilom »

johnwdefeo wrote: post #326
chmod775 wrote: post #306

First off: https://i.imgur.com/GlJqoYf.png 1. Your product seems useful, so useful in fact I bookmarked it. 2. However you hardly had any Google traffic to begin with - maybe Google traffic is not something you should optimize for - except for when people specifically search for your product 3. with which your landing page might not help. Let me expand: 1. I tried a few searches on your site and it generally came bac…

Thanks for this. Good suggestions here.

If I may briefly add a minor point: It somehow irks me that the Venn diagram on the landing page and in the icon are not the same orientation (they are rotated by 180°). Any specific reason for that? :)

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Post by 542354234235 »

sofixa wrote: post #277
dandare wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-monopoly laws exist for a reason. Splitting Google (and other IT monopolies) is the only remedy their monopolistic behaviour.

In theory, yes, but in practice, especially in Google's case, that won't work. YouTube could probably survive on its own ( due to the astronomical costs associated we can't be sure unless Google share more numbers), but no other part of Google's consumer-oriented services, and even some of their business oriented ones ( G Suite/Workspace/whatever it's called this week) can't be profitable, ever, and are only subsidis…

You can use anti-monopoly laws to do other things besides just breaking up companies. You can force them to not use their other entities to advantage themselves over competitors (promoting google services over others in search results). You can force interoperability and prevent shutting out competitors. You can prevent buying up new companies that compete with a google product. You could enforce a minim standard for consumer protection and codify rights to access for customers.

Many power companies have government enforced monopolies across the US. They also are heavily regulated and limited in what they can do to prevent them using their monopoly to extort, abuse, or neglect consumers.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

thesuitonym wrote: post #354
dsnr wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would prefer to use something else, thanks. What is the alternative to Gmail? Genuinely interested. I'd be willing to switch if I found a future-proof email solution for both personal and business usage.

When this question is asked, there's always a hundred people eagerly telling you to switch to Fastmail, forgetting that 14 years ago, everyone was saying switch to Gmail because it was the good option. I would just suggest people think about what might happen if Fastmail gets enough of a userbase to be the next Gmail.

14 years ago, Google was a very different company. I don't think it's reasonable to criticise people for not seeing what they would become that far in advance.
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