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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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This has nothing to do with "Free Speech", that would be a very lazy characterisation. Thi sis no threat to democracy.

Youtube is not the Internet, not even the Web. Any nutter is still free to put up a website - or some other new machine behind a IP address and carry on exercising their free speech.

Google has no obligation to let its platform be used by any idiot who wants to, and in hopefully less frequent cases, by experienced psy ops crews waging low level information warfare.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Yet another sign that Google has too much power .

Only 1/4 of Republicans surveyed believe the election wasn't fraudulent according to a poll today. Clearly, not objective reality. Do you think that this is a) the result of Google or b) the result of FoxNews, and other Mercer/Koch/Murdoch owned media/radio continuously amplifying and echoing these claims? If Google has so much power, why can't they convince 3/4s of Republicans that water is wet? Like literally, 42 l…

I don't disagree about Republicans. I am just stating a fact. Google has too much power.

But you have to realize something about how conservatives get their news. They are extremely loyal to a small number of sources and rely heavily on peer-to-peer amplification of right-wing memes. Google has nothing on the Facebook and good-ole-boy networks. They inherently distrust Google and the internet and any "mainstream" media. All Trump has to do is say "The left-wing Google" and it sticks in their heads like a thorn. They trust people they know in real life, and as soon as their friends are repeating they catchphrases, they believe it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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This is an enormous overreach. > Given that, we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today (or anytime after) that misleads people by alleging that widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, in line with our approach towards historical U.S. Presidential elections. For example, we will remove videos claiming that a Presidential candidate won the election due to…

These claims are being slaughtered in ongoing court cases, and many of them are objectively batshit, like the guy who filed an affidavit about being prevented from observing vote counts because he drove to the wrong location, or the woman, central to the Texas suit against PA and MI, who claims the Obamas "funded the Wuhan lab where coronavirus was made". It is not the case that Google has to provide space for a clai…

Trump is absolutely hoovering up money from his followers since he started on his election fraud rant - he's up to something like $250M, and he personally gets to keep something like 70% of it.

Most of the lawsuits are so ridiculously bad, it makes me wonder if it's just part of keeping up the act in order to keep his followers riled up and throwing cash at him. Inciting such intense hatred with so very many lies all for personal money and power - it's devisive, dangerous, and absolutely terrifying that this is happening in the USA, a country that spent decades forcing democracy on other countries.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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There are multiple pages of comments, accessible via the 'More' link at the bottom of the page, or click here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25359003&p=2

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25359003&p=3

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25359003&p=4

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25359003&p=5

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25359003&p=6

Corporate press releases tend to be an exception to HN's rule about original sources (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...) because they are invariably self-serving and usually obscure. This one seems ok, but I think I'll pilfer the title from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25361291, which gets to the point more directly.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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20 years ago reputed organizations such as newspapers, radio stations and television informed people the truth. Conspiracy theories were fringe and didn't have a way to spread. Today more than half the population believes in conspiracy theories because they learn the "truth" from disreputable sources on social media. This is dangerous for society. I am glad social media companies are taking action themselves, instead…

30 years ago back in Eastern Europe conspiracy theories didn't have a way to spread either. We had one truth. No further debates or opinions, one truth, The Truth.

I don't think you realize how dangerous suppression of freedom of speech is.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#378

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

Because the conspiracy is real. These are not stupid people. The goal isn't to limit misinformation, it's to limit information. This sets a precedent to allow for more extreme limitations.

It's certainly frightening to consider, but any intellectually honest person needs to contemplate the reality that mega corporations, media companies, and governments do not have your best interests in mind, and that yes, they're willing to do nefarious things to control your reality.

This is just another stepping stone on the road to total domination.

And before you downvote me, take ten minutes to really think about what I'm saying. If you wish, send me an email to have a long-form conversation.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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I'm not happy that it's come to this, but I can't say I blame Youtube for doing it. Everything's a mess from everybody's point of view, and Youtube has a big share of responsibility for the way things are, so I guess they chose to do something. Is this the best way forward? Probably not. But atleast it's a firm, consistent, unambiguous stance, and not an entirely arbitrary one. Unless I'm mistaken, we've never had an…

> but I can't say I blame Youtube for doing it

I do blame them, the same way I blame all social networks. People have always been ready to spread fringe content, but usually that content didn't go too far. What has changed now? Easy: the interest of social networks and platforms in having interactions above all. They have created the algorithms that give relevance to anything that creates activity, no matter what kind of activity (criticism and praise are evaluated the same). They have created the platforms that give a massive reach to anyone, real or not, with a single identity or with a hundred ones. They have created the incentives to favor views above content. They have created the models that will spam you with the "next thing you need to see" no matter what effect that has on you.

Now all of this is just a patch. The next conspiracy theory will come along, and the slightest effort at fighting it will just give it more relevance. The problem here is them. If they want to be serious about this, they should start by removing the mechanisms that are being abused. Of course, that would hurt their income and they don't care that much about the issue of misinformation.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

This plays exactly into their narrative. "If they didn't steal it, they wouldn't have to work so hard to cover it up!" Megacorps should never become arbiters of truth.

For existing users maybe, but there's an argument to be made that you're saving newer users that haven't yet seen this content from being brainwashed.
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