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Do you get vacations? Have a (nominally) 40-hour work week?
lol, that is not a valid response to criticize of unions. Sorry but no
And "Appalachia is still a poor region" is not a valid criticism of unions.
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>I don't see why someone should work full time and still end up poor. no offense, but this assumes too much about a person. you could make minimum wage $100 an hour, and there will still be poor people because some people make bad decisions. (not even taking into account that that would cause massive inflation etc). just giving a person $100 an hour doesn't guarantee they won't end up poor, as evidence by all the pro…
If a business can’t afford to pay its workers a living wage it can’t afford to exist. Why should the government have to bail out business that can’t afford to operate?
they can afford to operate. workers have agreed to do the job for the price set today. you want to raise that number arbitrarily, which they can't afford.
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How are you going to negotiate without striking (or threatening a strike)? Why would the company care that you know you're being underpaid if you're still going to do your job either way?
If you’re underpaid it means you can get a better deal somewhere else. You’re going to negotiate with the knowledge in par with the company that is interested in having you. Knowledge is power. - France is bacon.
Individuals make their ways up and down the stack all the time. This doesn't change the income distribution. [0] Knowledge isn't the only power. Solidarity is also power, and it can change the income distribution. Unfortunately, knowledge of this has been lost.
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#374Private sector unions are fine as long as we let capitalism play out. No bailouts/taxes when GM/Ford/Chrysler can't afford to pay the bills.
Public sector unions are a danger to society. A monopoly in monopoly will take down the whole country.
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the counter point is that minimum wage is artificial. if you aren't actually providing that much value, businesses will just cut the job altogether. if you are trying to raise a large family on minimum wage, well then that's obviously a big problem, but it's highly likely to be a problem you created with your life choices. on the other hand, if you are in high school or college, minimum wage is likely fine as it's ju…
> if you are trying to raise a large family on minimum wage, well then that's obviously a big problem, but it's highly likely to be a problem you created with your life choices. This is true, but becoming less and less true. Today there are all sorts of jobs that used to provide a living wage, that don't anymore. With no college and limited training, you could hire on at an assembly plant and make enough to support y…
>This is true, but becoming less and less true. Today there are all sorts of jobs that used to provide a living wage, that don't anymore. With no college and limited training, you could hire on at an assembly plant and make enough to support yourself. These types of jobs are getting scarcer and scarcer.
raising minimum wage makes this worse, not better. even more jobs will be automated by technology removing even more unskilled labor jobs
>This is a really hard aspect to design for. I agree that we can't require that all jobs pay enough to support a single earner's ability to rent an apartment, feed themselves, pay for a car, auto insurance, healthcare, etc. If that were the case, I would never have found work in my teens and early 20s.
yup
>I could not agree more. The labor market become so much freer when these things are taken out of the employment equation. My employer should not be anywhere near my healthcare. The way we allowed ourselves to tie those 2 things together is one of the greatest drags on our economy, and for labor mobility and opportunity. If we had a UBI along with healthcare, I could see minimum wage being thrown out altogether. Employers would offer what the job is worth, and workers would work for what they value their own time at.
yup. absolutely.
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#376Really disappointing to see the "Well, what did you expect?" comments already. Just because companies have been trying to prevent organization of their labor for over a century doesn't mean it isn't still messed up now. It's easy to say that it's just the way the world works from your desk, the people who are forced to work in Amazon's warehouses with terrible working conditions don't have that luxury.
Speaking with my wallet. I no longer use Amazon. Though my employer users AWS. I don't have any swing over that sadly. But for my own money, no more Amazon.
It's pretty easy to avoid Amazon if you are Frugal. Walmart online is cheaper.
Most people are too lazy to look at another store.
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How are you going to negotiate without striking (or threatening a strike)? Why would the company care that you know you're being underpaid if you're still going to do your job either way?
If you’re underpaid it means you can get a better deal somewhere else. You’re going to negotiate with the knowledge in par with the company that is interested in having you. Knowledge is power. - France is bacon.
> If you’re underpaid it means you can get a better deal somewhere else.
Unless companies conspire not to hire you in order to depress wages.
https://variety.com/2017/biz/news/disney-settlement-wage-fix...
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#378In 1920 Appalachia, coal companies owned all the land, the homes and stores. They also paid workers with their own special money (that was useless everywhere else). The security companies they hired where armed and violent towards miners and their families. https://explorepartsunknown.com/west-virginia/coal-minings-d... Today, people can tour these old towns and learn the history of how the coal companies trapped and…
Do people think Bezos is setting up company stores? What is the point of these posts except to excuse bad behavior?
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From the article: > We need to note that Amazon is an NPR funder. The original Motherboard article [0] is extensive. The NPR version is deliberately incoherent. [0] https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dp3yn/amazon-leaked-reports...
You actually believe that Amazon has editorial control over NPR and specifically exerted that leverage to make this article incoherent?
NPR's CEO previously was in charge of external propaganda: "From 2015 to 2019, Lansing served as the CEO of the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), the independent federal agency whose programming reaches an average weekly audience of 345 million people in 62 languages." [0] Now at NPR he coordinates internal propaganda. Angry Bezos emails will be career-shortening for NPR staff.
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If a business can’t afford to pay its workers a living wage it can’t afford to exist. Why should the government have to bail out business that can’t afford to operate?
they can afford to operate. workers have agreed to do the job for the price set today. you want to raise that number arbitrarily, which they can't afford.
People being able to feed and house themselves and their children is arbitrary?
That “agreement” to work for the current price is compelled by the threat of hunger and homelessness. It is not a fair and free agreement when one party has all of the power.
The very very very very least a company could do is pay all of their workers a living wage.