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Isn't that drop experiencing the same pressure as well? If so, what causes the fluid to escape?
that droplet would be experiencing the same pressure from the air pushing inward, but also a pressure pushing outward proportional to the amount the egg has contracted. more pressure pushing out than in means fluid comes out.
It's more likely that the "applied pressure" is simply negative...
I suppose it's slightly more animal friendly. On the other hand it just seems like another step into the direction of turning the chickens into optimized food machines. Would be more interested in seeing more means of producing tasty food without using animals and at reduced costs to the environment. Working towards one final giant culling of all unnaturally engineered animals and just continuing on with a small numb…
There’s a moral difficulty here where western societies care a lot about the beginnings of things and can’t stomach things ending, as if the only desirable world is one in which we all experience immortal bliss until the heat death of the universe. Every living thing exists by consuming other living things in some way or another. Every living thing has a beginning, a middle, and an end. Most animals are at least in s…
Would you rather live a long life and then die of organ failure, or get eaten when you're three years old?
Most people value getting to live longer. So, if we apply our own principles to other animals, there's value in letting animals live longer rather than killing and eating them.
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I think this just depends on your values and moral code, and there's no clear right or wrong here. I personally do not see a problem with using animals as food. If that's good enough for all the other omnivores and carnivores in the food chain, it's good enough for humans. There are certainly a lot of problems with the sustainability and humane-ness of our livestock farming, but I don't see "become vegetarian/vegan"…
> But I also recognize that a lot of people just don't have any kind of emotional response to this sort of thing, and that's ok too I will guarantee that a massive percentage of people do in fact have a very strong emotional response to this kind of thing, but it's all just "out of sight, out of mind". If you make people be involved in the killing of millions of baby chicks, they'll suddenly care very, very much. Our…
> Instead, a laser beam burns a 0.3mm-wide hole in the shell. Then, air pressure is applied to the shell exterior, pushing a drop of fluid out of the hole. The process takes one second per egg and enables fluid to be collected from eggs without touching them. This seems counterintuitive. If the external pressure is equally applied around the egg, what forces the fluid to escape?
That's a good question! I think you're correct that if the increase in external pressure were uniform around the whole egg, it would not push fluid out of the pinhole. Looking at this 2020 video[0], it seems like the procedure might be: 1) Laser burns pinhole through shell. 2) Robotic pipette applies the marker chemical onto pinhole. 3) Pneumatic grabber picks up egg by its pinhole end (so the atmospheric pressure, r…
I wonder where anti-abortion people come down on this. In their view, isn’t destroying the male egg the same as culling the male chick?
Well, my first thought was "this isn't no kill, it's just chicken abortion". They're still killing chickens regardless. Maybe there's someone for whom this makes a difference; I'm not one of them.
But yeah...it's not human, and I eat chicken anyway. Religiously I am against human abortion because there is a sanctity in human life that does not apply to animals. In Christianity, humans are made in the image of God, are the only ones who contain a spirit, and are the only ones for whom there is a mandate in the Old Testament that if a human is murdered, then the one who murdered them should be put to death. That's not to say that animals are worthless in any way, and animal life is protected in other ways.
Purposelessly killing animals bothers me too, in that it's wasteful and we should be better stewards of life in general.
It feels that this article is rather disingenuous based on the title though.
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Vegans don't have to be vegan for ethical reasons. They can be vegan for health reasons, or environmental reasons, or any combination of reasons. Vegans in general choose to not consume animals or (non-human) animal products, by definition. There is a large variety of adherence and some variety in self-definition, just as there is in any common human community. The Nirvana Fallacy lies in claiming that all vegans are…
Individuals have all kinds of reasons for doing the things that they do, which is why I wouldn't use the phrase "vegans in general", and why I haven't addressed my comments to vegans at all. Veganism , however, has strong ethical foundations, and any amount of research shows this. Unless we are considering the mental health benefit that comes with feeling ethically superior by being vegan, there are no valid health c…
On the contrary, it feels like veganism holds quite a lot of sway in your mind.
Based on my understanding, you have created an imaginary idealised version of veganism, so that you can mentally reject its imperfections, while recognising that this version would still hold some value. All the best.
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People made this exact same "no evidence" argument about animals for years, and many still believe it. The fact is we don't know enough about how plants or animals experience life to be sure of anything.
People made the claim _while_ ignoring the evidence. And as I went on to argue, if you really want to play it safe and assume plant sentience, you would still adopt a plant-based diet.
People would still adopt a plant-based diet because there is no other alternative right now. Purely lab-synthesized food that does not involve cultivation of any other organization is still a long way off from reaching any kind of scale for mass consumption.
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I'm not sure you understand how citation works. A first-hand account of farmers' living conditions in your local area isn't a reliable source that shows that there are "whole continents where people are treated as commodities". Nor do I see how this specifically relates to the underlying topic of veganism. Perhaps you can link the two topics so that I can see the point you are making? > As I said before, empathy is a…
I don' see why you have to be rude, but since we are here, if you need citations from a prestigious peer review journal to acknowledge this fact, you need to read more, travel more, hell, just change the channel more. The world bank defines people living below its poverty line as persons living in households where the total income is below 1.9 US dollars, and acknowledge 689 million people living there[0]. "At higher…
Thank you for the citations.
These make a very strong case for showing poor living conditions in your area, and I empathize with that - please don't think that I'm debating this fact.
I'm not entirely sure how it relates to my comment which is a nit about veganism's fundamental issue with defining it's own belief systems effectively. Are humans considered animals? Is the issue that some things are treated as commodities at all, or just that living things are? Are we okay with treating people as commodities, but just not "animals"? As in, it's okay to buy human-animal created products (like a phone or a computer), but not to buy wool socks because that is animal cruelty?
I'm not suggesting that people aren't treated as commodities, I'm suggesting the opposite. Your citations (unfortunately) add to my point.
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That's a good question! I think you're correct that if the increase in external pressure were uniform around the whole egg, it would not push fluid out of the pinhole. Looking at this 2020 video[0], it seems like the procedure might be: 1) Laser burns pinhole through shell. 2) Robotic pipette applies the marker chemical onto pinhole. 3) Pneumatic grabber picks up egg by its pinhole end (so the atmospheric pressure, r…
Hadn't seen video[0]. From that view, it's not clear how the air pressure around the egg is increased. The end of the carousel appears to be where the laser flash occurs, but I see no way to raise/lower air pressure inside the compartment.
In the 2020 video, the shot that starts at 55 seconds shows the whole carousel. A pair of robot arms are using pneumatic grabbers to load eggs onto the carousel, they go under the high power laser, then pass under the pipette robot arms, and finally are removed from the carousel by a similar pair of robot arms with pneumatic grabbers (it is at this last step that I suspect the fluid passes through the shell).