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Re: 1MB Club

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The reader who gets to read the page for free in exchange for that marketing cruft being there.

Per definition the reader gets less value than the marketing monkeys.

Both sides of a transaction value the thing they get more than the thing they give.

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I can definitely imagine situations where being able to load a page quickly is indeed a matter of life or death. This is indeed part of the design rationale for the min css framework: https://mincss.com/index.html > Min is used by over 65,000 people in 195+ countries, from North Korea to South Sudan to Mongolia to Somalia. Think your software is critical? Try a webapp keeping you alive in a warzone. Now, whether or n…

> I can definitely imagine situations where being able to load a page quickly is indeed a matter of life or death. Can you share some such situations?

One example that comes to mind even here in the US would be getting emergency info out (evacuation orders, contact info, etc.) during natural disasters like wildfires and storms. A lot of rural areas are still stuck with dial-up and low-bandwidth cellular data at best, so every kilobyte matters. This also applies even in places with abundant cellular coverage; congestion can and often does cause issues with thousands or millions of people trying to get info or reach out to emergency contacts all at once.

Min's rationale further brings to mind things like disseminating info on hospitals, shelters, etc. in war zones, often to people who at most have an ancient (by first-world standards) phone with expensive and slow network connectivity.

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That took 4000ms on a phone.

Which is still rather fast. Starting an IDE like Visual Studio on my desktop takes longer.

4+ seconds is hardly "rather fast", and being faster to start than Visual Studio is hardly glowing praise.

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I love it! I feel like the 1MB limit is excessively generous, especially for text-only pages. But maybe that's what makes it so damning when pages fail to adhere to it. I know at least one website I maintain fails it spectacularly (though in my defense it's entirely because of that website being chock-full of photos, and full-res ones at that; pages without those are well under that 1MB mark), while other sites I've…

Something about all pages being under limit the limit instead of every page being under the limit changes the exact meaning to something that I cannot agree with. Which was the meaning I replied below and then wrote this after realizing you might of meant every when you wrote all. Lets say you write a daily blog. A single A4 of text contains on average 3000 characters, your posts average slightly above that by being…

Yeah, I did mean "every" rather than "all", as you put it. Though both would be interesting.

Re: 1MB Club

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I don't mind highlighting and curating small sites for fun, that's neat. But calling larger sites a "cancerous growth on the web" just feels immature to me. Everything is just cost/benefit. There's no need to bring a black-and-white fanatical exaggerated mindset to it. You can celebrate something you like without having to make the alternative a disease , sheesh.

Sure there is a place for nuance, but there is also a place for bold writing without all the pussyfooting. Exclusively using either style makes it boring for the reader. We need the sweet with the sour ;)

>You can celebrate something you like without having to make the alternative a disease, sheesh.

You can, but would you be equally successful at it?

Re: 1MB Club

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post #243

I wish sites like this could take a positive tone instead of a negative one. Referring to sites that don't conform to your pet preferences as cancerous is deeply off-putting to me.

Growing without bounds is kind of a defining trait of cancer. It seems pretty apt to me, although it's certainly also hyperbolic.

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post #319

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What hardware/tools did you use to measure?

It was about the same for me, and I used a simple stopwatch. Stopped the watch as soon as I saw anything on the page. I am on a fairly fast network, too

For me it wasn't a second on a Honor 10

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post #265

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Ad blockers already don't work. They're largely useless. If you use one these days, you already know why.

I don't know why. Can you explain?

Because of the large and rapidly-increasing number of sites that just refuse to work if you are running an ad blocker, unless you manually disable it first.

Re: 1MB Club

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post #278

Hopefully on-topic: Can anyone recommend a drop-in, minimal stylesheet that will make basic HTML (without classes/ids) format well on both web and mobile? In particular, by default stuff is really small on mobile screens, you have to zoom around. Basically bootstrap, but more lightweight and without the effort of learning all the classnames etc.

I use hugo theme (even) - https://themes.gohugo.io/hugo-theme-even/ which seems pretty decent in terms of performance. There's some heavy loading of fonts and js, but it still comes down below 1Mb. Maybe you can derive some inspiration from it.

That's nice, thank you.
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