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First generation of MacOS on Apple Silicon?
iOS has always used the same kernel as macOS.
And that helps i.e. Docker how?
2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
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#372I'm not buying into Apple's eventually-closed desktop computer systems - I don't care what the performance is. They've been slowly marching towards iOS's closed ecosystem model on the Mac and with an in-house CPU, they can effectively lock users out of alternate OS choices on their hardware. Buyer beware.
I'm with you. I'm not going to support this crap.
We might be in the minority at the moment but the harder Apple makes it to repair their machines by 3rd parties the less likely people are going to buy such an expensive machine in the future where a broken key means $500+ in repairs.
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I feel kind of grossed out, as a developer (and tinkerer) by how locked down Mac products are. It's not really your computer, you're just renting. Apple has decided that they know what you want and need better than you.
Just because it is locked down, why is that the same as "renting"? Those are two very different concepts.
Because you are not the ultimate decider of what to do with the machine. If you owned it, you could do anything outside of harm.
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As someone who sympathizes with your perspective, I do believe that this is a minority position. Most people don't care about closed ecosystems - just look at Facebook's popularity. Look at the Apple App Store. Government intervention would be needed to break up these closed gardens.
> I do believe that this is a minority position. Most people don't care about closed ecosystems You're absolutely right. I bought my first MacBook Pro (17") in 2007 (and it's still running at my parents' house!) Over time all the machines in the house save my work/gaming rig have been replaced by Macs (iMacs, MBP, 12" MB, etc.) Now I plan on reversing course. I'll keep my iPhone for now because everyone in the family…
Re: Reversing course.. what will you replace your Macs with?
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This is insane perf/watt. x86 backwards compatibility may have gotten us to where we are, but it's certainly holding it back. Arm is looking great, and maybe it's time for x86 to die.
It's time for Intel and x86 to die. But I would also be a little wary, because ARM systems are way more locked down than x86 systems today.
Is some of this because of those processor level flaws/exploits where the fixes resulted in disabling some processor commands making them slower and less efficient
With only a completely new/different architecture getting those advances back?
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You just have to look at the phone community (XDA Developers, etc) to see how this will (eventually) go. A good example were the old Asus Transformer tablets. They were a super niche device, but it still lended itself to Linux and so a small team of people managed to load Ubuntu on it. Another are Samsung phones. They try to lock people out, but they have popular enough devices that people find a way to put LineageOS…
That's actually quite a depressing look - while the community can often get undocumented & closed user hostile hardware run their OS of choice, it's hardly ever as seamless as installing a modern Linux distro on about anything x86, usually without issues - mostly thanks to standards such as BIOS/UEFI, ACPI & others. Also even if you liberate a single device, it does not mean all your hack will work on the next one -…
Sure, the lockdown situation is worse than things are currently. You're likely to need per-device hacks that unlock it and enable freedom for users.
Even in that scenario though, ARM devices use standards too. There's a reason I can generally pick up any Android device and know what needs to be done to build my own OS for it. We just lack tooling that makes that incredibly easy and lack maintainers who want to make those devices work with the mainstream linux kernel.
Having open devices though (outside of Apple) is still my bet. We still need to make that process smoother but that just means there's lots of low hanging fruit :)
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Here's one data point: a WebKit compile took 25min on the Air vs 20min on the Mini/Pro. That 25min is still a bit faster than the Intel 16-inch Pro, which took 27min and waaay faster than Intel 13-inch Pro at 46min. The crazy thing is that both M1 MacBooks still had 91% battery left after the compile, vs 61% on the 16-inch Pro and 24% on the 13-inch Intel Pro. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/17/yeah-apples-m1-macb…
Is this a 1-1 comparison? If the ARM compile is compiling to ARM binaries then there might be less work/optimizations since it is a newer architecture. Seems like a test with two variables that changed. Would be interesting to see them both cross-compile to their respective opposite archs.
Apple has been optimizing the compiler for a decade for iOS.
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This is insane perf/watt. x86 backwards compatibility may have gotten us to where we are, but it's certainly holding it back. Arm is looking great, and maybe it's time for x86 to die.
And that backwards compatibility may not even be necessary, given Rosetta's performance. Sure Apple is using lots of tricks, but if Microsoft or any Linux project could get even somewhat close...
Just as testimony, it probably doesn't mean much, but bakcwards compatibility you either have it or you don't, there's no middle ground
Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later
The story is this: a friend of mine is a well respected illustrator and he has been a long time Mac user (at least since I remember)
Few days ago he asked me advices about a new laptop and he asked for a PC because "new Mac OS will not work with my Photoshop version"
He owns a license for Photoshop 6, payed for it and has no need to uograde, especially to the new subscription based licensing
MacOS Sierra doesn't even work with Photoshop CS6
The only option he had to keep using something he owned was to switch platform (Adobe allows platform change upon request)
End of story.
Backwards compatibility has no value until you need it.
Just like an ambulance or a pacemaker.
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Wish they re-introduce the discontinued Macbook 12 inch with the same specs as air. It weighed only 970grams vs 1.29 kg for air. In fact air feels bulky compared to other light weight laptops like LG Gram, not to mention the design is outdated. Always wondered why Apple killed the smaller model. Perhaps they want to push the iPad pro so killed off the netbook line. The wannabe traveller inside me keep drooling at 12…
The 12” MacBook could not be updated to newer Intel chipsets due to thermal issues. The single port was also a limitation. Once Apple upgraded the Air to retina, a large part of the market for the 12” was lost. They were too close to each other and cross-competed except for the super portable use cases which was not large enough. This model of Air is obviously a transition product with new guts in an old shell. I sus…
I'm also hoping for thinner bezels as the current models' ones are just huge compared to Dell's XPS line for example. It's slowly becoming obvious that the design has barely changed since 2016 or so. The 16" model was a step in the right direction, but it's still not even close to what Dell is delivering.
It'd be amazing if they managed to squeeze a 13" screen into the old 12" form factor - you'd still get great battery life thanks to the M1.
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Another item added to the list of why I'm not buying one of these.
I feel kind of grossed out, as a developer (and tinkerer) by how locked down Mac products are. It's not really your computer, you're just renting. Apple has decided that they know what you want and need better than you.
>I feel kind of grossed out, as a developer (and tinkerer) by how locked down Mac products are
That's part of the value proposition (leave it or take it).