Steve Ballmer would be proud!* Developers, developers, developers!!! *) and throw chairs at the RIAA
Was this something Ballmer is known for doing? Was he practicing to be a NCAA basketball coach?
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Right, but the law makes no mention of secret keys, it just says you can't go around anything that controls access to a copyright work; and you can't provide tools to do so. The actual legal definition of tools covers both actual technical purpose as well as marketed purpose. Rebranding, say, OBS as "Recorder for YouTube" and talking about how you can use it to get around YouTube's downloading protections by screenca…
The rebuttal to your reasoning is in the letter. Basically a federal judge has previously ruled that utilizing a publicly available password is not circumvention of a copyright protection mechanism. The code containing the "sig" (as google calls it) or "rolling cipher" (as RIAA calls it) is available to anyone by viewing the JavaScript. This sig / cipher being public means it is not a copyright protection mechanism.
> This sig / cipher being public means it is not a copyright protection mechanism.
I can see this as ending up with Youtube being forced to require sign-ins. Massive expense for Google. Then Youtube-dl adds one parameter for the password, and we're back to square one.
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
That won't work, because Youtube applies the particular sort of protection that those tests exercise only to copyrighted music.
Interesting. Do you know how hard it would be for someone to upload a bunch of original videos with same copyright as the videos in question?
As far as I know, that's impossible. The particular DRM applied to those test videos is ONLY available to large partners like Vevo.
Which is why they were in the test suite.
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#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, it would be "effectively a web browser". But it would also require a secret key. If the program is not licensed to hold the key, that could be considered circumvention.
Other browsers have the key, why would this one be different ?
Because they have a license.
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#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIU the argument is more that youtube-dl is effectively a web browser and doesn’t do anything that a web browser doesn’t do. Further, it does not include any “secret” key for DRM circumvention like might be bundled with e.g. Chrome in the case of Widevine, where browser vendors agree to protect the secret key.
If a program had its own implementation of widevine, why wouldn't you also be "effectively a web browser" ?
Isn't the Widevine password essentially public as it is distributed to the client where it was extracted? Or was the Widevine key somehow stolen from Google's private repository?
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#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder how much MS funds the RIAA as a member of it.
Dues are $2500/y if you have revenues of $1-5MM, $5000/y if you have revenues of $5-15MM, and "contact us" beyond that: https://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RIAA_ApplyFo... Since one presumes that Microsoft does not sell much music (didn't they shut down their music store a few years ago?), I can't imagine they've negotiated dues that scale linearly on Microsoft's total revenue - so, in fact, I'd expect th…
I just find it quite ironic that their site is running WordPress, a "free and open-source content management system".
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#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to put your everyday Amazon spend to good use, don't spend on Amazon.
Where do I spend it wise one
Literally anywhere else. Whatever product you want type it in to google. Click a link that is not Amazon.
edit.... don't use google. Use duck duck go. :-)
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be honest, I had no idea youtube-dl did anything else other than download YouTube videos. What other functions does it have?
It supports a lot of video sources [1], not just Youtube. [1] https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/tree/3f1748b9445e9d93...
I was suprised today that it supports downloaded videos on reddit too.
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't believe that Github actually needed the EFF's writing for this, or that they don't have the necessary technical expertise themselves. That is probably rather a protective assertion not to lose face. But at least they seem to have learned something from it now and want to review such requests technically before they (unjustifiably) act.
Github links to the EFF letter [0] in the DMCA repo. This letter spells out in clear, convincing and explicit detail why the RIAA was wrong. Profit-making Github and Microsoft could have performed this analysis and championed developers themselves, but it was the non-profit EFF that actually did the work. EFF deserves more credit than just a link for fighting against this shit. [0] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob…
Yes, I've read it. That's why I came to my conclusion. Btw. nearly all of the facts in the referenced letter were expressed in HN discussions just a few hours after the takedown. From my point of view they were obvious.
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#380Happy news. Well done Github