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The TikTok War

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Re: The TikTok War

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I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

Something about Tiktok, whether the algorithm or the sheer volume of content, seems to discourage the sort of look-at-me envy-bait narcissistic posturing that is so common on Instagram. To be popular on Tiktok you actually have to do stuff (even it's fairly banal like dancing or telling stories), not just be (or pretend to be) someone. I found it funny that the author of this post is trying to defend liberal values l…

I think it has a lot to do with how TikTok manages the balance between consumption and creation. Only a fraction of viewers on YouTube for example create content where a significant portion (55%) on TikTok both create AND Consume.

This was an analysis on TikTok vs YouTube and focuses on how TikTok leverages mimcry to overcome the initial burden of ideation and yields significant content creation for its platform.

"On Youtube, 79% of views accrue to only 10% of its creators. While on TikTok 55% of viewers also create videos. " https://4thquadrant.io/freearticles/business-models/tiktok-a...

Re: The TikTok War

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It is up to the Chinese people to do this. If a foreign country overthrows the Chinese government this is nothing more than an international crime against their sovereignty.

It's not going to happen without violence, as the PRC is strictly a one-party state.

I prefer to see the Chinese people living in peace, then.

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Here in India, TikTok was massively popular in smaller towns and villages. The content was so different than Instagram. I really thought it was invaluable (TikTok is banned now). For us city dwelling upper middle class people, it gave a rare glimpse into the lives of people less privileged. And it wasn't maudlin or patronizing as a lot of narratives about the poor tend to be. Rather it was fun and authentic. I rememb…

Was there any reason to ban it other than “China?” Has anyone made an Indian TikTok clone, and if so has it got any traction? Seems like an obvious thing to do, if it was that popular.

There are a bunch of TikTok clones floating around and they've racked up some users. But I'm not sure if these clones would have the tech to serve the kind of recommendations TikTok did. Some, like "Mitron", are basically pre-made scripts bought online and rebadged [0]. They don't have the tech DNA to get recommendations right - which was one big reason for TikTok's success.

[0]: https://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/mitron-app-tiktok-indian-...

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It's not an opinion: that's the whole point. This is basic, "there exists X which is Y, therefore not all X is not-Y" logic. I find your framing device unnecessarily obtuse. Do all women have cervixes? No. Do all non-women lack cervixes? Also no. It's that simple.

You know, I'm trying to steer this towards a conversation. I guess I missed the mark. But I am undeterred. I will still try to pull something educational out for myself. According to the knowledge I have humans born with two X chromosomes have a cervix unless they have a generic abnormality or have a surgical procedure to remove the cervix. Humans born with an X and Y chromosome do not have a cervix. There may be hum…

That’s correct, there’s nothing surprising going on here biologically, it’s purely about the definition of the words ‘man’ and ‘woman’.

Re: The TikTok War

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> What wrong with people smiling, laughing and dancing? There is nothing wrong in it, but there isn't much alluring there too. Its available from so many other platforms.

Really? Almost the entirety of where I see this is people recording and re-uploading content from tik tok onto Twitter. It’s certainly a distinct communication culture. I mean “Instagram dance” was never a thing the way “Tik tok dance” is a thing.

I guess what I'm saying is just because it's distinct doesn't mean it's alluring. It might be a different form of expression but what is being expressed is that entertaining or different from Instagram. It's just a bit less objectifying than Instagram but still feels lacking.

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post #160

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Here in India, TikTok was massively popular in smaller towns and villages. The content was so different than Instagram. I really thought it was invaluable (TikTok is banned now). For us city dwelling upper middle class people, it gave a rare glimpse into the lives of people less privileged. And it wasn't maudlin or patronizing as a lot of narratives about the poor tend to be. Rather it was fun and authentic. I rememb…

Was there any reason to ban it other than “China?” Has anyone made an Indian TikTok clone, and if so has it got any traction? Seems like an obvious thing to do, if it was that popular.

Yes. It's called Chingari. Since the ban, downloads have been shooting up. It's now 2M+ or so downloads while being no where near as polished as TikTok UI

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Reddit banned a bunch of hate subreddits. Full stop. I don't care what you think about trans men and women but this is not a case of people being overly sensitive. "Gender Critical" is the spiritual equivalent of "Race Realists" and their subreddits were nothing other than a safe space for them to express their overt hate. This was not a place "simply" for people with an opinion. You don't understand hate speech. Mis…

Well, you're making great progress understanding another people thoughts /s Your answer is filled with so much more hate than the one you're replying to

Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN. We ban accounts that do that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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I don't think it is a racist view. It is more of an anti-communist view. Americans were not a big fan white communists in Hungary, Poland, Russia, etc when the Soviet Union was a thing.

By creating artificial barriers against countries, the US is only strengthening totalitarian regimes. The US is doing a disservice to everyone with its crazy persecution to Russia, Iran and China.

Which has nothing to do with what I or the comment I was replying to was talking about. Its not racist to be anti-communist.

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Once again withe the non-arguments and strawmen. These exchanges do nothing but prove my point. Criticizing the CCP's actions in Hong Kong, for example, is not sinophobic. Criticizing their treatment of the Uighurs is not sinophobic, and criticizing their attempts at intelligence collection and propaganda is not sinophobic. Yet all have been called such at some point in Hacker News comments in recent posts. And my po…

But you weren’t criticizing actions in your posts...

I was, several replies up. Yet my post has been flagged.

Re: The TikTok War

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Tiktok's parent company, bytedance is incorporated in Cayman islands. It has a Chinese subsidiary operating Douyin in China , and a US subsidiary operating Tiktok in the US. The Chinese national intelligence law is applied to the Chinese subsidiary but not the parent because the parent is not incorporated in China. Hence the US subsidiary is not subjected to Chinese law. If Chinese government demands US data and Byte…

Your assertion that "Hence Chinese government has no power over the US subsidiary" is incomplete. Tiktok's policy of sharing user data allows the Chinese government all of the power they need, at least in terms of data collection.

Re: the influence argument your points are stronger, I think. Thompson's article felt a bit like scaremongering there.

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