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How many of you know that the team is working on something that no-one wants?

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That too is “AI”. But there is a setting to turn off “AI previews”, that is just pulling some content from services into the dashboard.

Yes that sounds unnecessary confusing.

Maybe the confusion is deliberate.

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Yes, so I put analytics in to prove it. I told the project leader that nobody wants a share button there, because of the nature of the data, nobody will share it. They disagreed strongly, suddenly the share button was super important. So I put tracking on it. A year after launch, guess what? Yep that’s right, nobody clicked the button. Not a single user. So I showed them the data and told them I was right. I told the…

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I'll share a disturbing anecdote about one of the largest and most influential software companies in the world, based in the Bay Area, and I'll leave it to you to guess which one. I know of several people who work there who are ranked very highly and are paid extremely well, who have told me personally that the work they do there is terrible for the users (i.e. it's exploitative) and terrible for the internet (it int…

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Re: How many of you know that the team is working on something that no-one wants?

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I worked at a major defense contractor in a small office for as an intern. The entire 50 person office was working on a single top-secret contract which very obviously was never going to get off the ground. After working on it for over 5 years, the prototype was still about as janky as could be and required a team of human operators to perform dangerous, highly intensive, time-intensive-training-necessary work just to get it to work. No one could say anything because everyone would be out of a job, and so, as far as I know, the project hobbles on.

Re: How many of you know that the team is working on something that no-one wants?

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Highly anecdotal, but 100% of the software devs I know in this position (living paycheck to paycheck) are living above their means, in a city. If they moved to the countryside (in another country if need be), they would have to work 2 months a year with the same pay with a larger house, garden, savings etc. After covid it is actually easy to do, but before as well if you are not completely horrible at your job. Howev…

I feel like your version of reality is different to the one most people live in. Highly skilled people live in big expensive cities because that's where the best jobs and most professional and social opportunities are. Once you move to the countryside your jobs and networking opportunities plummet and you'll have to endure a soul crushing commute unless you work remotely or your house and your job are close to train…

Sure, my point is, then you have to suck up the fact that you live from paycheck to paycheck (which was what I was responding to). You don't need to but you choose to, that's fine.

And nah, never had this much work, my network is only growing (and I have not lived in a city for 20 years), I don't need to commute because remote work is great (for the past 25 years). I meet plenty of like minded people on the internet; for me that works. Not saying it's for anyone, but it works for me (and my family and friends by the way).

But yeah, everyone should do what they want and like; just saying there are alternatives if you don't want to live from paycheck to paycheck and live in a city.

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“Agile teams that truly iterate with the customer can often avoid these problems because the customer is there the whole way through and the team continuously pivots to close gaps discovered by the customer throughout the project, thereby building something the customer actually needs and wants.” I‘m 2 years into my first role as a product owner (made the switch from design) and working at a fortune 100. The thing th…

I've worked 6 years as a PM, last 4 at FANG Here's some advice, which you are free to take or to leave, (and that's very reasonable since my advice is generic and I can't speak to your exact circumstances) 1) Just start doing it. Don't wait for someone to give you permission to prioritize customer needs. Pick up the phone and call them. Go to a store and watch them shop for your product. Talk to people. When you set…

Great, practical advice for companies of that size. We can debate about whether it's unfortunate that it's necessary (I'd tend to agree that it is), but learning how to do this is the basic block and tackling required to get things moving at BigCos.

Re: How many of you know that the team is working on something that no-one wants?

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Highly anecdotal, but 100% of the software devs I know in this position (living paycheck to paycheck) are living above their means, in a city. If they moved to the countryside (in another country if need be), they would have to work 2 months a year with the same pay with a larger house, garden, savings etc. After covid it is actually easy to do, but before as well if you are not completely horrible at your job. Howev…

Hah I live above my means and need a high salary _because_ I moved out into the countryside. Maybe it's different where you are, but living in the country is expensive. It won't look like it from the outside, but ... My home insurance, my heating, my Internet, my electricity, all cost more than if I was urban. I own and maintain my own water supply and sewer system (septic). I have power lines coming up from the road…

I guess we live a similar life but in a different country (Canada vs Portugal?) which probably accounts for the difference. All those things you say are true but they just don't cost anything here and, besides that, it's mostly alway warm so those costs we don't have. I don't commute as I have forever worked from home (with rising salary, also forever).

We have chickens, many (fruit)trees, make beer, cider and wine. Outside gym. Pizza oven. It's great.

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I've worked 6 years as a PM, last 4 at FANG Here's some advice, which you are free to take or to leave, (and that's very reasonable since my advice is generic and I can't speak to your exact circumstances) 1) Just start doing it. Don't wait for someone to give you permission to prioritize customer needs. Pick up the phone and call them. Go to a store and watch them shop for your product. Talk to people. When you set…

See also: Getting Things Done When You’re Only a Grunt (2001): https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/12/25/getting-things-don...

A perennial classic. Still pertinent after nearly twenty years.

Re: How many of you know that the team is working on something that no-one wants?

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> why is using deep learning to do something useful impossible? This is completely false. Here are some examples: Google translate. It's infinitely useful. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for me when I want to quickly check whether my translation into my second language is okay, or I'm not sure I got the meaning right of some translation. Second example: My home security cameras now uses object classification…

Yes. Google Translate is obviously a useful product, and obviously Google will have thousands of areas where they can apply AI (enough that they'd even write frameworks for it). But 99(.99)% of us work in mundane jobs doing boring CRUD apps. My post was meant in this context. You work in a company making an intranet product for the paper tissue industry. Your manager wants v3.0 to have some AI in it. No one remembers…

Google Translate was good before the so-called "AI revolution".

Re: How many of you know that the team is working on something that no-one wants?

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Something like Oracle forms with a custom clinet application talking to a database server.

Yeah - kind of, but Oracle forms originally didn’t even have a graphical client - that’s probably why Powerbuilder and Visual Basic dominated the early 90s. Also, Oracle was still fighting it out with Sybase in the mini computer dbms space.

Oracle forms 2.3 & 3 where graphical terminal apps, starting forms 4.0 it also included windows (and X) clients.
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