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Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaults and evictions looms

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Many states are experiencing continued increase in infection rates. See https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/ , https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/ , to a lesser extent https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/ for example. Deaths will lag that. Doubling time is really only a legitimate factor insofar as we can develop vaccines and treatments in the interim, and that…

I wonder what those numbers would look like taking into account that there has been much more testing online in the last several weeks? (so of course the number of detected positives goes up) I grant that the worst might not be behind us, but I also keep in mind that the experts said from the beginning that most likely outcomes are that this will become another variant of the common cold or flare up some years simila…

Not sure I follow. It may become seasonal yes, but comparing it to a cold or flu downplays the severity.

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Do you have any evidence that they did this because the government assisted them with their housing payments?

No, but the point was to ensure people pay what they're expected to pay. Not to give them a handout.

What counts as a handout these days? A tech job that pays $50k-$100k over productivity? ("The company has been losing money since its founding, but we need a rockstar engineer so we can survive long enough to get bought by Facebook.")

I'm not sure we have any idea of the real value of things these days, including what work is worth. Credit has distorted the system; just because someone who is work full-time (however many jobs that takes) can't pay the rent rate the market seems to be dictating doesn't mean someone stepping in to fill the gap is giving them a "handout".

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The largest insurance claim I've had was for a little over $5k for a vehicle repair after collision while avoiding a pedestrian in the street. I'm not sure if you think that's "large" but it was very painless to do IMO.

Nope, not large. A friend had an Aston Martin that caught on fire. About a $120k car. It took months of investigations to close that claim. Insurance pointed finger at AM, AM wanted their own investigator, fire inspector involved, etc. And that’s not even large relative to a house or business.

I thought the idea with insurance was that they would pay out and deal with recovering the funds legally, if possible.

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Yeah, most of the US is one medical emergency from absolute financial ruin. It's amazing to see how disconnected the economy is from the lived experience of the majority of people.

> Yeah, most of the US is one medical emergency from absolute financial ruin. Most Americans have health insurance of some form.

And most would still be stuck with a huge bill with a trip to the ER.

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My understanding is that the appeal of owning real estate yourself is housing mortgages gives you: (1) the cheapest leverage available to retail investors and (2) a loan that can't be margin-called. In an upmarket, this leverage lets you juice your returns. Say you only have $200,000. Then by getting a mortgage of $800,000 you get ownership of a house worth $1M. This gives you the right to the cashflow from renting t…

> a loan that can't be margin-called What do you mean by this? That the loan can't be eagerly collected in full? That the repayment is on a schedule?

The lender can't foreclose if the house loses value. You have to stop making payments before they are allowed to take the collateral.

In contrast, if you buy stocks on margin, they will forcibly sell your position if the value of the collateral gets anywhere near the loan value.

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Meanwhile stock market is preparing to for its record high :).

> Meanwhile stock market is preparing to for its record high :) Yes, and I don't understand it. The S&P500 is within 8% of its all-time high (3393). Even without a second wave of coronavirus cases and deaths, the current levels of unemployment, defaults, and bankruptices, I can't see what supports these asset price levels. Any ideas?

The average P/E ratio for SPY companies is around 15. The price of the stock today is built on the earnings of the next 15 years, and most investors seem to believe we'll bounce back in a year or two.

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> These stories that come out of the woodwork every time tenants are mentioned are why I’ll never be a landlord. My wife and I own a number of (8) rental properties. My wife manages them and we rarely have problems with tenants. I will tell you what I think is the secret. My wife figuratively crawls up the ass of all prospective tenants. She needs to see credit history, pay stubs, and proof of punctual rent payments…

Last time I rented from a private person, they asked me for some basic information. I sent them my last 3 pay stubs and a credit check in a short email. They accepted me on the spot, and said most people can't even manage to write a proper email.

What rental market is this? In big cities where the majority professional class rents competition has been stiff. I had to meet and interview with my last landlord about my career and income.

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Nope, not large. A friend had an Aston Martin that caught on fire. About a $120k car. It took months of investigations to close that claim. Insurance pointed finger at AM, AM wanted their own investigator, fire inspector involved, etc. And that’s not even large relative to a house or business.

I thought the idea with insurance was that they would pay out and deal with recovering the funds legally, if possible.

They don’t do this out of the goodness of their hearts, insurance is ‘better to have and not need than need and not have’ and the longer you can go paying premiums without needing to file a claim the better for the insurer (monetarily speaking)

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There is a 'blood from a stone' aspect from lower income tenants. If they trash a house and cause six figure damages to your property, your not getting your money back, and typically landlord insurance does not cover intentional damage: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CoWtuC... Also people growing up in poverty experience higher stress, so the probability of them doing the 'going mental' thing i…

You can get vandalism insurance. I don't know any landlord that does get it, though.

Vandalism insurance doesn't necessarily cover intentional damage by tenants on a property.

As a challenge, I would like you to find an landlord insurance policy that explicitly covers intentional damage by a tenant and a price estimate on the internet, because I'm having a hard time finding it!

Re: Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaults and evictions looms

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Attract crime? Section 8 neighborhoods are like gated communities for poor people except instead of gates they have excessive police presence, few opportunities, overpriced essential goods, poor access to banking but usually several check cashing shops and payday lenders, minimum wage jobs or worse, bad schools. Section 8 neighborhoods are a dumping ground for the people and families society deems undeserving.

Are there many efforts in the US to spread subsidised housing out through a broader community to avoid this? I think the idea is that everyone learns something from someone else (empathy, community spirit, leading by example with behaviour, etc).

Yes, and it's led to increasing crime in working-class neighborhoods, because section-8 doesn't cover enough for rent in expensive areas.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2012/04/fresh-data-public-hou...

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