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Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by magicsmoke »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #334
101404 wrote: post #324

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No, they didn't wait for the right president. The past 40 years, they developed economically and technologically. It is only since Xi became president, that China feels confident to have a more assertive foreign policy.

>It is only since Xi became president, that China feels confident to have a more assertive foreign policy. How so? There hasn't been a sharp rise in military spending, they haven't invaded anywhere, and they've largely maintained their same course on most of the disputed territories.

In comparison to when Mao was around and China was invading Vietnam or funding communist groups across the third world in the 70s, China today is quite tame.

In comparison with China of the 90s and 00s, China of the 10s has definitely been more aggressive. In 1990s when the Philippines grounded an old navy ship on Scarborough Shoal in the south China sea to reinforce their claims, there was barely a peep from China. By the 2010s though, Chinese coast guard ships were harassing Filipino resupply ships to their outposts and China was making it's own island bases.

People think China's being more aggressive since their point of reference is the 90s and 00s, when China was frankly a pushover on the world stage. Chinese freighter gets accused of smuggling chemical weapons to Iran in 1993 and gets held hostage in the Indian ocean before nothing was found? Not even an apology from the US. Chinese embassy gets bombed by NATO forces in 1999? Nothing but words. A Chinese fighter pilot dies in a mid air collision with an American spy plane off of Hainan in 2001? No reparations for the loss of life and expensive military hardware. Anyone would think China was being more aggressive today if their baseline was that.

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Post by viro »

pmachinery wrote: post #329
michaelt wrote: post #285

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Nothing - but Crimea is right on the EU's doorstep. Both Ukraine and Russia share borders with EU member states. If we EU member states didn't get involved when we saw a fight right in front of us, the threat of us getting involved in a fight thousands of miles away isn't very credible as a deterrent. More broadly, when I look at Taiwan I don't see the EU or US recognising Taiwan as a nation - let alone any tripwire…

> Nothing - but Crimea is right on the EU's doorstep. So it's no further from US bases than EU bases. > Both Ukraine and Russia share borders with EU member states. And Russia is a two mile walkable ice bridge from the US in winter. > If we EU member states didn't get involved when we saw a fight right in front of us, the threat of us getting involved in a fight thousands of miles away isn't very credible as a deterr…

umm Russia isn't a super power. But the US and EU will avoid directly fighting any nuclear armed country... Well yea duh, the nuke doesn't need to hit us to kill the planet.

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Post by rrss »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #217
derefr wrote: post #19

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What does the defense industry need a cutting-edge node for? Better drone battery life?

Nvidia just announced its ampere chip Basically a data centre in one rack mount kit. Now the first customer is ... us defend need ai and those Gpu and ai advanced chip all done there.

technically the first customer is Argonne National Labs, which is DoE, not DoD.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/05/14/203353...

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Post by inawarminister »

renw0rp wrote: post #205
YinLuck- wrote: post #47

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>(For context, I see globalization as a means of maximizing profits, not about politics) Globalization is just a euphemism for hegemony. First it was the British Empire, then the American Empire.

And now is the Chinese turn?

Probably not. The British century was built on the back of dead Germans and Russians containing Napoleonic France. The American century was built on the back of dead Russians and Western European ruins by Nazi Germany. If the third time's the charm, then the next Hegemon would be the faction that successfully minimise its own losses in a WW3, so either India or Europe(an Union).

Then again, history doesn't repeat, it rhymes.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by valuearb »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #69
sremani wrote: post #66

Welcome to USA. Smart Move TSMC and Taiwan. You have earned a friend for life. For the doubters, this is just the beginning of Re-industrilization of America.

I’m not sure which brands TSMC makes for. But I can promise you if there is an option to buy an USA made AMD, I’d pay a premium for that.

I always try to buy foreign, because free trade is what makes the US so wealthy.

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Post by throw51319 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #306
magicsmoke wrote: post #188

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China won't march into Taiwan until they can win a naval war with the US to keep the US from retaliating. And if China can do that, they won't have to march into Taiwan. 2050 Indo-pacific naval war is my prediction.

No country wants to start WWIII. I don't think the PRC is in a position to finish off the ROC, and I don't think it would be in their interests, either. But equally I don't think that the US want to intervene directly should the PRC take over Taiwan. This would be madness. The problem is thus to imagine how the US would manage to politically 'sell' their inaction. But at the same time, would the PRC dare to take the…

Yeah but isn't it the definition of a slippery slope?

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Post by valuearb »

addicted wrote: post #213
adventured wrote: post #209

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> Remember when Trump floated withdrawing from NATO? I remember when Trump took no actions at all toward pulling the US out of NATO, and did nothing other than use it as a rather dumb prop to try to coax NATO allies into meeting their spending obligations. > Remember when Trump stopped funding the WHO in the middle of the worst pandemic of the past 100 years? I remember when the WHO cooperated with China to knowingly…

The US President lies on a daily basis. And the previous president had already got the Europeans to commit to meeting their obligations over a period of a certain number of years which they were moving towards. Trumps nonsense achieved nothing other than making the Europeans and the rest of the world recognize that the US has become deeply unreliable and move further towards China.

European defense spending targets are laughably low, and their spending has been an embarrassment for decades.

A stopped clock is right twice a day, and sometimes an idiot gets an answer right. There is zero reason for any US troops to be in Europe or the US to remain in NATO. We’ve been burning our wealth for 70 years subsidizing European defense, and their economies.

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Post by vonmoltke »

andy_ppp wrote: post #369
esmi wrote: post #358

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> I don't see how that big investment for relative low volume production would make sense for consumer products. If the consumer product is a toy then sure. If it’s a medical device then it could make sense. It’s all about margin. > After GlobalFoundries quit the race, US defense contractors have only Intel as supplier for many components. Maybe. If you want millions of chips a quarter then sure. But if you want 1000…

You can seriously get small run chips made on 7nm in the US? I just don't believe it.

Where in the world can you get small runs of 7nm chips, and why would you want them?

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Post by mytailorisrich »

throw51319 wrote: post #376
mytailorisrich wrote: post #306

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No country wants to start WWIII. I don't think the PRC is in a position to finish off the ROC, and I don't think it would be in their interests, either. But equally I don't think that the US want to intervene directly should the PRC take over Taiwan. This would be madness. The problem is thus to imagine how the US would manage to politically 'sell' their inaction. But at the same time, would the PRC dare to take the…

Yeah but isn't it the definition of a slippery slope?

Not really. Taiwan really is an internal Chinese issue and Crimea is essentially 'repairing' the issue of a Russian territory (with majority Russian population) that was split from Russia relatively recently. Everyone knows that and thus no-one is going to start a direct war over these territories.

But even if you were contemplating a direct war the issue would be that direct wars against Russia or China are not realistic because they are nuclear powers and, in any case, too big to invade. Any direct war would certainly require a major aggression from these countries against the US themselves, which they obviously won't do in the same way as the US won't directly attack them.

It's all boils down to relative strengths and outcome of a war. There are wars that are never worth starting.

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Post by esmi »

andy_ppp wrote: post #369
esmi wrote: post #358

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> I don't see how that big investment for relative low volume production would make sense for consumer products. If the consumer product is a toy then sure. If it’s a medical device then it could make sense. It’s all about margin. > After GlobalFoundries quit the race, US defense contractors have only Intel as supplier for many components. Maybe. If you want millions of chips a quarter then sure. But if you want 1000…

You can seriously get small run chips made on 7nm in the US? I just don't believe it.

Was 7nm a requirement? I didn’t gather that from the thread.

Small run 22nm is certainly available. These are fabricated in the US, albeit at an Intel site. https://www.mosis.com/pages/intel_sponsored_fab

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