Why are they testing the major news networks staff?
What a waste!
In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
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#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
A question for you: If you're so sure about the severity of the virus, then I'd like you to tell me what you know about the long term rammifcations of the virus on people that exhibit symptoms. If you can't, then perhaps it might be a good idea to reconsider advocating for reopening the economy. Because for all we know, this could end up being another Chickenpox situation leading to something similar to Shingles. We…
> If you can't, then perhaps it might be a good idea to reconsider advocating for reopening the economy. Can you prove that coronavirus didn't give me protection from some other more severe illness a la cowpox and smallpox? No? We can both come up with creative scenarios. We are severely impacting the quality of life of hundreds of millions of people. We should have a reason to do so grounded in fact and educated gue…
The main reason why we are severely impacting the quality of life for millions of people is because our government is not willing to act to either provide some sort of basic income, supplies or guarantee survival for small businesses.
As I've mentioned in other posts here, we're remarkably lucky that COVID-19 isn't something currently far more threatening. Considering attitudes such as yours would easily lead to mass extinction as we strive to save an imaginary economy rather than the people.
As for how long and how severe a lockdown should be, I leave that up to the medical community. You and I are not part of that community and are not nearly educated to make that decision for them, so trying to argue that the economy must be opened up now is an argument made from ignorance.
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say it's a conspiracy theory, but you agree we should stay at home until the "full extent of the virus" is known, and long-term effects by definition aren't going to be visible any time soon. Do you have a plan for how we could discover such things faster than a year or two?
I asked the OP to tell me what the long-term effects of the virus are given that they said for most of the population, the virus is not that serious. They haven't provided that information yet, so I'm going to assume they don't have it. I do not have that information either. Until we (and 'we' as in medical professionals) figure out the best way to deal with the virus and any potential effects in the long term then y…
That's the position I would describe as "we should stay at home forever". I'm glad we could get onto the same page that my conspiracy theory was indeed true! When people in future conversations insist that your proposals are a strawman, I'll make sure to step in on your behalf, and explain that some people really do think we should be required to stay home for the indefinite future.
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed 100%. Here in BC, public health wasn't even saying, "It's not known whether asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus," but actually, "Evidence suggests asymptomatic carriers can not spread the virus." Something that as far as I can tell was never actually true. This was reported in public briefings, was repeated by public health nurses on the call-in lines, and was distributed as the government's official po…
> "Evidence suggests asymptomatic carriers can not spread the virus." I don't understand this. How would that even work? If you're infected, what would stop you from shedding virus like anyone else? Is there a precedent for this, for respiratory viruses?
Influenza starts being contagious a few days before symptoms start and stops being contagious a few days before symptoms end, so yes. But the profile for SARS-CoV-2 is particularly front-loaded compared to other viruses where peak infectivity is basically right as symptoms appear. With many other diseases if you catch all symptomatic cases that's enough to drive R well below 1 and from a public health perspective that's all you need.
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#375One of the super-interesting things here, is that apparently everyone was in the specific window where they test positive for the virus. This implies the population was recently infected, had not been previously infected, and it spread almost completely within a tight window. This implies a shocking high R(effective) for that population. In 2 weeks we'll have super interesting data one way of the other on the CFR.
I'm looking for this in the article and not seeing mention of a specific window. Can you help me find what you're referring to?
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#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's asymptomatic and presymptomatic (a very rapid spread could give lots of positive results before symptoms appear).
So, in two weeks, if these prisons are still 96% asymptomatic - then what? I hope that’s the case, everyone should. I have yet to see a single indication this is worse than than anyone’s projections. I think that’s a dangerous scenario for the next time a virus comes along. If there is any perceptionat all of overreacting, it’ll be a cry-wolf scenario with a lot of people.
Then that would be really weird given other closed groups we've observed and tested closely like the Diamond Princess and would probably be evidence for a significant mutation.
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#37796% are without symptoms yet . There was a nursing home in Massachusetts which had 51 out of 98 residents testing positive but asymptomatic in early April. While this sounded encouraging in the sense no one was critically ill because of coronavirus, a few weeks later 19 had died and about 30 more had tested positive. Let’s wait a month until there is a clearer picture about the impact of the virus on a particular pop…
The virus affects young and healthy folks without co-morbidities dramatically less than it does old folks at a nursing home. Based on New York City data, people without co-morbidities account for something like 6% of hospitalizations [1]. Old folks on a cruise ship full of old people, about 20% showed no symptoms. Is it a big stretch to think that scales to prisoners as shown? They're pretty young (only 2.8% of priso…
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Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#378One of the super-interesting things here, is that apparently everyone was in the specific window where they test positive for the virus. This implies the population was recently infected, had not been previously infected, and it spread almost completely within a tight window. This implies a shocking high R(effective) for that population. In 2 weeks we'll have super interesting data one way of the other on the CFR.
A prison is very much like a cruise ship from a viral perspective. We know from the cruise ship data like the Diamond Princess that most people had no symptoms initially, but overtime most people became symptomatic [1]. Of course if we are really lucky and the prison was infected with a naturally attenuated strain we should make use of it [2]. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7078829/ 2. https://www.ti…
I think that. depending on the air conditioning system, it might be quite a bit worse. The density of people is huge, air flows freely between cells, prisoners eat packed together at communal tables. I bet R is like 10-20.
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of the asymptomatic cases had pneumonia in their lungs too. They were however still able to expel CO2 and so did’t feel shortness of breath.
I've heard this more recently that it's a characteristic which means that people who think they're getting better will then suddenly have a turn for the worse, because they don't feel as sick but their blood oxygen level is actually quite low -- they try to exert themselves, go upstairs say, and then faint. Happened that way to a close friend of mine.
And this can also happen if there's a liquid nitrogen or liquid helium spill in a place without sufficient ventilation. As happened to an acquaintance of mine. If that happens get out even if you don't feel any shortness of breath.
Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms
#380Yet elsewhere, hospitals are flooded and body bags piled.