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A Third Solution
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#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. While this plan would certainly result in some disruption, it would be a lot less than the current status quo. And you can't really compare it to simply "opening back up" without a plan like this, because the simple fact is that even without government-enforced lockdowns, many (perhaps most) people won't return to a normal level of activity if they don't feel safe doing so.
> “...because the simple fact is that even without government-enforced lockdowns, many (perhaps most) people won't return to a normal level of activity if they don't feel safe doing so.“ you’re underestimating the pain that many americans are feeling after just a few weeks of (soft) lockdown. it’s not that people want to be unsafe, it’s that their livelihoods are in grave danger if the lockdowns last for months. many…
"many people are willing to take some risk now that the pandemic hasn’t turned out to be plague-levels of badness that some initially feared"
Without expressing an opinion of my own, how can you write as though from a twilight zone without causal relationships?
I mean, you, or anyone, can doubt that the lockdown is necessary. You might be right!
But you must acknowledge and challenge the causal connection between the lockdown and "not plague levels of badness". Comments that just ignore the possibility creep me out, because I can't imagine what the writer is thinking, except maybe "wishing will make it so".
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#373This is a solution that could work provided we have a rapid on the spot test. David States has recently proposed exactly such a test and apparently his company is woking on developing it [1]. The major problem with all self-testing and isolation strategies is getting population buy in and what to do about poor countries. It is difficult to get population buy in if the economic cost of being positive is high (which it…
I'm in a medium income country, Thailand and they do quite well testing people they think at risk and if you have it the government pays the costs of quarantine / treatment / some lost income. It works well. I don't see why similar won't work in poorer countries. They use regular PCR but a better test would just make things better I guess. It's odd that there seems a negative correlation between country wealth and ho…
The correlation is between countries who were harder hit with SARS. They were better prepared for this outbreak.
But it's also a good deal of luck. Test and tracing works until you miss enough people that you get controlled community spread.
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#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
New York has done more tests and more tests per capita than any other state per latest numbers - the reason for more tests isn't just to test people who want it, it's to run large random tests, require tests before visiting nursing homes, get an accurate picture of the infection rate, etc. We're testing more per capita than most countries in the world and it's still not enough. We've tested approximately 4 times as m…
Sorry, I wasn't clear. Illinois has built out their own manufacturing supply chain and testing facilities. They are self-sufficient. If New York wants to scale up testing and has money to invest in doing so, they should look at how Illinois managed to make that happen.
This is maddening reading this thread. What is the reason for a federal gov't but to coordinate such cooperation? It goes back to creation of the "United States"! (this is hypothetical question, not one i expect you to answer)
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#375An inadvertant Masterclass on how to convince a non-technical audience to invest in a tech startup. - Take a huge and important problem - Show the current challenges/lack of solutions - Propose a 'radical' alternative - Lend credence to the competency of the team - 'How world can be saved' - Imply the resultant victory
And critically, ensure there aren't really enough details to evaluate the proposal.
...
Profit
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#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
This position truly baffles me. I can understand people who have reservations about tracking everyone with phone apps to do more effective contact tracing. But objecting to widespread, low-cost testing for virus infection as an extension of the surveillance state? I don't even know how to argue against that because it simply doesn't make any sense to me. Right now the population is clamoring for more widespread and e…
I think it's the mandatory part that's rankling centimeter, and I see their point. Once you give powers to the state in an emergency situation it's really hard to roll them back. See the PATRIOT act for example. Is there a way to effectively get universal compliance without implicitly granting permanent new powers to violate civil liberties? I suspect relying on people to test themselves daily without mandating it wo…
You work at a hospital, you're required to get a flu shot. I don't know how long this has been the case, but I can say firsthand over a decade.
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#377Of course we are going to get another TSA agency. This one comes right after you finish walking through TSA, FSA checks for viruses in your system.
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#378Grandiose statements with zero technical details make this sound a lot like "Theranos for Viruses".
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#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
A solution that works outside of the vicinity of New York, would still allow at least 47 other states to open up. As for checking who has a test, simply give colored stickers. If someone wants to “beat” the system, so be it. Social disapproval and common sense will keep most people honest.
New York City isn't the only place in which car ownership is low. What about Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, DC, etc? If your plan for reopening the nation doesn't include reopening our cities, it isn't a real plan for reopening the nation. You need a plan for people who want to beat the system because they present a huge danger. The whole idea behind this system is to allow the people insi…
I wouldn’t plan on reopening the nation, since it was never closed from the top down to begin with. Individual states, and in many cases cities and counties, made the decision and continue even now to enforce rules different from one another.
Hawaii is an island, thousands of miles away from the rest of the USA, so why shouldn’t it open on a different schedule?
Even China, ground zero for the crisis, close and reopened different providences, districts, and even neighborhoods independently.
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#380Quotes from the article:
“It’s easy to fall into dystopian visions of the future — a world shut down by one virus after another”
“It doesn’t have to be that way. ..... Ubiquitous screening is the key.”
The approach is interesting and the possibility of eliminating large scale spread of covid, flu and others is attractive.
However the idea of requiring a saliva swab from every visitor to an office or event has the potential to create an equally terrifying dystopian future where those samples are used to collect and use other data (DNA for example).
How long before screening companies offers to provide free screening and access control systems in return for anonymised data?
This kind of solution needs to have very well thought out privacy rules supported by strong and enforceable legislation to protect the individuals rights.