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Had a briefing with our company lawyer a while back and any information can be considered PII when paired with other information. Eg that you bought 7 foo’s is not PII, but that you bought 7 foo’s on Tuesday might be if that can then be looked up in the purchase history and you were the only one who bought 7 on Tuesday.

Does it have to be uniquely identifying to be PII? Or is there some minimum threshold for k-anonymity?

I don't know "how unique" it needs to be. I'll ask if I get the opportunity.

It just has to be correlatable if I understood it correctly, but I don't know if unique or not. To me it sounded like if there's only a small number of possible people it could identify (say 4) then its potentially PII, however I have no idea where the line is drawn. Clearly if k is 1, its PII. If k is 2, it probably is too. If k is 1000, its probably not. But at what point does it stop being PII? I have no idea!

The legal person basically said "its complicated, anything can become PII when combined with something else, even if neither on their own are PII". The bottom line is does some combination of information identify a person, then its PII (its in the name really!), but unfortunately that means there is no clear simple list of things that are or aren't PII, it really depends on each individual case.

Her advice was to think carefully about any data stored about or for users and to avoid storing it if possible, and if not possible, think carefully about whether or not it could identify a user in some way. Its not a very satisfying answer, I know. It also doesn't answer your question :(

Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account

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Those comments are downvoted because there is no evidence that anyone is paying for data from Zoom. IMO, speculation without support should be downvoted.

Companies ultimately respond to monetary incentives. So directly or indirectly, they are giving your data to Facebook because it gets them paid.

That's... the point of a company? If this argument boils down to "Zoom to FB is bad because it gets Zoom paid directly or indirectly and FB=bad", then I think the same argument could apply to almost any business that advertises on FB (a large number of businesses).

If this isn't your argument, I apologize for misunderstanding. Could you elaborate a bit?

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Companies ultimately respond to monetary incentives. So directly or indirectly, they are giving your data to Facebook because it gets them paid.

That's... the point of a company? If this argument boils down to "Zoom to FB is bad because it gets Zoom paid directly or indirectly and FB=bad", then I think the same argument could apply to almost any business that advertises on FB (a large number of businesses). If this isn't your argument, I apologize for misunderstanding. Could you elaborate a bit?

There is a difference between advertising on Facebook, and sending the data from your users to Facebook in order to advertise for cheaper.

But yes, any business that sends your data to Facebook for advertising purposes is bad and should not be used.

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How do you use it? I had to join a Zoom meeting and tried to use the webpage first but it tried to make me install a client. After the MacOS local web server debacle I will never do that. I figured the safest thing was to use the iOS app but wasn’t thrilled at the idea. I assume if there actually is a web client the process to access it is extremely user hostile. Is it a hidden link or something? Zoom is obviously an…

Zoom links are of the form zoom.us/j/IDENTIFIER Change the "/j/" to "/wc/join/" to get the web client.

This did work for me but I had to install Chrome, it told me to install a "modern, updated browser" in the most recent Firefox and Safari. I assume they are abusing some anti-user capability in Chrome but I trust it more than any Zoom client.

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To clarify, having just worked with the Facebook SDK library for my company's codebase, I dont think it is possible to setup the SDK without this happening. Disclaimer: I do not know what the FacebookSDK does after you call it's launch methods but I am pretty certain that they are required for a least some versions of the SDK. If you are a Zoom user who is not using a Facebook account, I believe the only info Faceboo…

FWIW, it's possible to use OAuth login without importing the SDK. I did it on my last company's apps and webapps when we had to optimise for performance, and removed some dependencies. Of course, now that I'm gone the SDK is back because one of the developers was bullish on using the SDKs at all costs (the webapp, for example, now loads FB, Google and Linkedin SDKs on launch). This is a problem that we developers are…

This is a good idea. I will propose we do this

FWIW it looks like zoom did the same.

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