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Post by psychlops »

senordevnyc wrote: post #367
psychlops wrote: post #342

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That's how it should work. Excellent example. Automobile deaths account for over 3000 deaths per day , far in excess of what covid19 has or will do. Given that information, it seems that you would recommend people "shut up and stay inside" due to the "risk to other people". This is not rational. Giving up everyone's freedom and accepting simple authoritarian solutions a few vocal people want is not a good approach. P…

That 3000+ per day is for the entire globe. And horrifyingly, there’s a chance the US alone will surpass that for some period in the coming weeks. Italy recorded 600+ today, and we’re much bigger. Plus we are way behind on locking down.

That sounds horrifying. What information leads you to believe that the United States will be having so many automobile deaths in the coming weeks?

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Post by School-Cotton »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #359
School-Cotton wrote: post #309

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Assume that everyone who has it spreads it to 2 people on average before dying or recovering. If one of the 2 people you would have spread it to is immune, you will only spread it to 1 person instead, and the total number of infected will not rise.

Huh? If you spread it to 1 person, then the total number of people who have been infected will rise by 1.

I mean the total number of people sick at any given time, not the total number of people who have ever been infected.

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Post by pravda »

hevelvarik wrote: post #332
devy wrote: post #312

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It's a difficult decision to be made. On one hand, short term strong measure will guarantee unemployment and bankruptcies and potentially long term economic impact (talk about another the Great Depression). On the other hand, inaction will inevitably cause millions of deaths including young people. It's a chilling effect to see that "the point of no return" date was already past last week for NY. Very very disturbing…

I can't remember the last time I logged in. I live in in Crown Heights, Brooklyn and I don't want belittle the gravity of the situation at all because we have seen seen 3 obituary entries (all elderly) and have a number of other people who we are praying for in precarious situations. But your comment strikes me as something out dystopian sci-fi. Our volunteer ems reps as of 4 days ago estimated that 80% of the commun…

To add some clarification here, I think he is referring to infection rates in the Hassidic community (Crown Heights has a large Hasidic population) in Brooklyn and in upstate New York Hasdic enclaves.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/Coronavirus-broo...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-hasi...

Reddit comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fkhgv0/defying_rules_l...

I find this somewhat encouraging.

If the Hasidem aren't dropping dead...well, draw your own conclusions. Yes, I am well aware that they might start dropping dead in the next few weeks.

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Post by lonelappde »

aqme28 wrote: post #5
chadlavi wrote: post #3

> Mass transit will remain operational and restaurants, food delivery and bank will remain in service. This kind of article would really benefit from a quick bulleted list at the top, I had to skim to get this essential info

nyc.gov has a helpful list. https://esd.ny.gov/guidance-executive-order-2026 I was worried, because I just dropped my clothes off at the laundromat.

You don't need clothes at home.

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Post by lonelappde »

yibg wrote: post #366
monocularvision wrote: post #259

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I recommend this episode of Advisory Opinions on the legal specifics around these sorts of actions in the US: https://overcast.fm/+V-MhulG34 The TLDR is that most of the general “police” power in the US sits in the hands of the States.

But surely testing, contact tracing etc as done in parts of Asia can be coordinated centrally.

A US state is essentially a country elsewhere. It's not that big a deal to do most things statewide instead of nationwide..

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Post by [deleted] »

pravda wrote: post #373
hevelvarik wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't remember the last time I logged in. I live in in Crown Heights, Brooklyn and I don't want belittle the gravity of the situation at all because we have seen seen 3 obituary entries (all elderly) and have a number of other people who we are praying for in precarious situations. But your comment strikes me as something out dystopian sci-fi. Our volunteer ems reps as of 4 days ago estimated that 80% of the commun…

To add some clarification here, I think he is referring to infection rates in the Hassidic community (Crown Heights has a large Hasidic population) in Brooklyn and in upstate New York Hasdic enclaves. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/Coronavirus-broo... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/nyregion/coronavirus-hasi... Reddit comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fkhgv0/defying_rules_l... I find thi…

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Post by [deleted] »

leereeves wrote: post #306
devy wrote: post #286

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California's population density cannot compare to Downstate New York, so there are some advantages to implement social distancing measures in CA than in NY/NYC.

NYC has the highest population density in the US, and yet Cuomo is fighting against stronger measures in NYC proposed by Mayor De Blasio.

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Post by asdff »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #129

There is no doubt Cuomo should be the national point person for the response to the crisis based on his performance so far. He is independently working with regional manufacturing to retool to make critical medical PPE and ventilators, and has organized a regional coalition including CT, NJ, and PA. I have not agreed with him all the time, but his crisis management has been exemplary and he will have saved many lives…

Cuomo is two weeks too late due to plugging his ears and ignoring his public health advisors.

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Post by dmix »

frequentnapper wrote: post #350
fennecfoxen wrote: post #256

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> It will be impossible for us to permanently stop the spread with half measures. You're not going to like this, but at this point, no one expects anyone to permanently stop the spread of the virus. It is very contagious, it has a very effective stealth mode, and it is widespread. You should probably expect that over half of the world population will contract this virus. New York's restrictions are primarily to make…

China claims to have stopped it in its tracks.

Hong Kong announced ~48 new confirmed COVID-19 cases today [1] (within last 24hrs) with experts predicting 300-500 in the next two weeks. Unless HK (and Taiwan who also has seen spikes) is still not considered China?

We already know most test results are days late from the actual swabbing + ~5-10 days of being asymptomatic + showing early symptoms before ending up in a hospital to be tested. Making the results we see from HK's (free) press today are up to 2 weeks old already and China's second wave could have already started.

Either way mainland China faces a similar increase by the second-wave return of citizens as people return from visiting the rest of the world - a world increasingly being ravaged by COVID. Ignoring the global travel, HKmainland travel is super common and a good early signal for mainland.

I personally know lots of Chinese citizens who stayed in Canada after early results from China and are waiting it out here with family.

I highly doubt the Chinese authorities can rest until the virus is shutdown globally. We live in a global economy with China as the engine. If China returns to normal before that it won't be long until super-infectors return to some of the most densely populated cities on the planet and everyone is being told to self-isolate again.

If China does end self-isolation (or the far more authoritarian measures that aren't found elsewhere) early then they also better close their borders from inbound travelers and tell their returning citizens to stay where they are.

[1] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic...

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Post by romants »

vonmoltke wrote: post #203
romants wrote: post #158

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What about China and South Korea? It's possible, but people do need to be more responsible

I think it is dangerously premature to call anything in China or Korea "over".

Definitely, no one is calling the situation over, but it is wildly different from Europe
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