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Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capitalism (2017)

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Re: Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capitalism (2017)

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It actually is precisely opposite to capitalism. In the US the government guarantees student loans. This means the universities have exactly zero risk. When someone has no risk of losing money because they government will guarantee payment, they will charge and lend any amount to anyone. You can't lose. What would happen if the government got out of student loans and did not guarantee them? Universities would experie…

But if the government stops tomorrow to get involved won't you get a giant backlash? I do not see that universities would stop spending and reduce the costs by 90%, if those universities are also in debt because they planned on the money they won't get you could get them bankrupt. Do you have a solution for this ? Btw I appreciate you taking time to provide this comments.

It's a complex problem and, yes, you are correct, you can't just stop overnight. I won't claim to know exactly how to execute the removal of government from the equation.

Perhaps it starts with an announcement of a reduction of guarantees over a period of time. For example, US $40K maximum and it goes down by $5K every year until reaching zero. That would provide for a gradual reduction and a transition from a "we can't lose because the government guarantees it" mentality to universities being forced to exist in the real world.

I say "exist in the real world" because it is easy to forget that lots of people leave university with very expensive yet useless degrees. It's easy in a place like HN to think of STEM degrees. There are lots of other degrees universities get paid lots of money to deliver that do not have the earning potential of STEM degrees. Again, because government guarantees the loans universities are able to charge silly amounts for these degrees.

Not a simple problem, but I think we know that distorting the market through government involvement isn't helping anyone.

Re: Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capitalism (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if the government stops tomorrow to get involved won't you get a giant backlash? I do not see that universities would stop spending and reduce the costs by 90%, if those universities are also in debt because they planned on the money they won't get you could get them bankrupt. Do you have a solution for this ? Btw I appreciate you taking time to provide this comments.

It's a complex problem and, yes, you are correct, you can't just stop overnight. I won't claim to know exactly how to execute the removal of government from the equation. Perhaps it starts with an announcement of a reduction of guarantees over a period of time. For example, US $40K maximum and it goes down by $5K every year until reaching zero. That would provide for a gradual reduction and a transition from a "we ca…

Could be there a big risk that some private companies would popup and offer students the money as lending or in exchange for a few ears of your career? Then the costs will not go down.

I would suggest a controversial thing, the government decides the maximum and enforces it, it also decides that for each subject the universities would accept a number of students for free, for the free sports there will be an exam . Who would pay for the free spots? The universities and the government will have to decide on how to split this.

With my solution I am trying to solve a possible tragedy, brilliant students that can't become doctors and engineers and have to get other jobs or are forced to work instead of study so it affects their performance, as a society we should try to identify the briliant people and help them because they will help our children in the future.

Re: Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capitalism (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a complex problem and, yes, you are correct, you can't just stop overnight. I won't claim to know exactly how to execute the removal of government from the equation. Perhaps it starts with an announcement of a reduction of guarantees over a period of time. For example, US $40K maximum and it goes down by $5K every year until reaching zero. That would provide for a gradual reduction and a transition from a "we ca…

Could be there a big risk that some private companies would popup and offer students the money as lending or in exchange for a few ears of your career? Then the costs will not go down. I would suggest a controversial thing, the government decides the maximum and enforces it, it also decides that for each subject the universities would accept a number of students for free, for the free sports there will be an exam . W…

I have to keep coming back to the idea that the problem is complex and the root of it is interference with free market forces.

The other notable aspect of government guaranteed student loans is that they cannot be discharged (eliminated) through bankruptcy.

If someone ends-up with too much debt they simply can't repay society allows both people and businesses to file for bankruptcy in a few different forms. One of them provides for restructuring the debt in order to make it affordable enough to pay. The other erases all debt in order to allow someone to start over (in the case of a business it would shut down).

Credit cards, consumer loans, car loans, home loans, they can all be erased through bankruptcy. Student loans? No. They cannot. You are stuck with them for the rest of your life.

Let me give you a plausible scenario. Someone goes into medical school and, a few years into it, has a serious accident and can't continue. They never graduate. Let's assume at that point in their studies they have accumulated $200K in debt. Well, they have to pay for that. And they cannot eliminate it through bankruptcy. They are not doctors and can't earn an above-average wage, and yet they are slaves to their nice fat government-guaranteed, government-distorted loans.

Universities are guaranteed their money because the government guarantees the loans and the government makes sure you will pay until you die if that's what it takes.

In your scenario, if the government provided no guarantees and private lenders offered loans, they would not loan exorbitant amounts. Their loans, as is the case with any consumer loan, would be subject to discharge (elimination) through bankruptcy. Lenders would not take such risks without a tremendous amount of assurances as well as vetting of the candidate. There would be tremendous downwards pressure on tuition simply because lenders would not be open to providing $50K to $60K per year for most degrees, if any.

From my perspective no degree should cost more than what someone WITH THAT DEGREE can pay in, say, ten years. In other words, a software engineering degree would cost more than a history degree, because the earning potential of the student would be greater in the first case.

Another way to perhaps do it is for universities to take 10% of someone's salary per year for, say, ten years. That's it, that's their payment. The logistics would need to be worked out, but, in essence, universities would have to compete in the open market by graduating highly qualified professionals.

And yet the problem continues to be the same: Universities can only accept so many people. This is true everywhere in the world, where free universities filter people through extensive entrance examinations. Forcing education to be free isn't necessarily going to solve any problems in terms of making education available to more people. Not unless you now start over-populating universities because they are "free".

Here "free" is in quotes because the concept is vacuous. There is no such thing as free. Someone always has to pay for it, if anything for the simple matter that university employees and professors have to earn a living and it cost money to run the schools.

Every single "free" government run program in the world runs into exactly the same problem: Quality deteriorates as the amount of money available per economic unit goes down. The easiest example of this are "free" healthcare systems, where care is limited, people have to wait a very long time to be seen, quality of care and testing is substandard and their very existence depends on drugs and product developed in non-free systems (places like the US).

If universities in the US become "free", the question is: Who pays? The government? So, each university is allocated an amount of money per student? We are back to tuition, this time paid by government. Well, then, how much do we pay? Do we pay MIT the same as a local university? No? Why? Why is it fair that universities are not paid the same per student? If a local university gets $10K per year, MIT should also get $10K per year. It would not be highly discriminatory to give MIT $50K per year and a local university $10K.

You see, as we start to dive into the realities of these not-so-brilliant ideas we run into myriad problems. Everything sounds fantastic in front of a microphone during a political speech. And yet, reality tends to be nowhere near to what is being promised. It never is.

Re: Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capitalism (2017)

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>> my intentional actions (successful business) Yeah of course because you have full control of what happens to your business. Your competitors, big corporate monopolies, regulators, investors, fickle cultural trends, politics, timing, your wealthy friends or family members and your own health have no impact at all on your business' chance of success.

Running a business is an exercise in risk management. All of the things you mentioned are interesting challenges, but they're not insurmountable. While there are few guarantees in life, one sure fired way to lose to all those factors is to make them bigger than they are.

>> but they're not insurmountable

If your health is so bad that you die, that's insurmountable.

If regulations are so rigid that the government forbids you to open your business, that's insurmountable.

If a corporation sets up shop next door and sells everything you sell at half the price, that's insurmountable.

Then also milder combinations of all of the above can be insurmountable.

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