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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by klarrimore »

leesec wrote: post #214
Shivetya wrote: post #199

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Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Everyone's current phone is most likely the greatest phone they ever owned. It doesn't mean it's prefect and doesn't have plenty to complain about.

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Post by bobsil1 »

bradlys wrote: post #297
bobsil1 wrote: post #273

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No throttle lag, way more torque, quiet, silent, no loss of range and no CO2 while sitting in traffic jam… ICE just feels intolerable after.

If you have had a Z06 (like the person posted) then you're familiar with big torque. (It has 650lbft) Similarly with any literbike in the last 10 years or what not... Just roll the throttle and you'll overtake anything in any gear. I feel like the traffic jam stuff isn't about driving - that's about commuting. I can't imagine being in a dead silent car all the time. It's not like they're dead silent anyway - you hear…

Feels different: instant response, linear torque curve all the way to the top. In a Model 3 Performance, unending gobs of power. No vibration, no heartbeat, just effortless electromagnetic whoosh.

To me the sound and vibration detract from the road. Let me hit the limits of visual stream processing without distraction, let me think when going slower. Also they waste most of the energy in gas.

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Post by zaroth »

bdamm wrote: post #72
dx87 wrote: post #32

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Considering that they haven't perfected the "don't accelerate into stationary objects" algorithm, I'm not sure I trust this in an area with a lot of pedestrian traffic.

The freeway control regime is entirely different from a low-speed control regime required to safely maneuver in a parking lot. Where I'd expect strange things to occur would be when a car confuses a baby rolling on the asphalt with a garbage bag being blown in the wind, and runs it over.

Your second sentence doesn’t follow from your first.

On the highway the car has to distinguish between garbage bag and human, and avoid false positives because they can cause an accident.

In the parking lot the car doesn’t exceed I think 3mph and had no safety reason to avoid false positives. It will stop for the garbage bag every time.

Is it technically possible for Smart Summon to collide with something? Perhaps it is. And I guarantee we will see people testing this heavily on YouTube with styrofoam in the coming weeks.

Incidentally, it’s also possible for drivers to hit other people in parking lots too. It’s actually one of the most likely locations for a vehicle to collide with a human.

The sooner we have algorithms driving in parking lots that are safer than humans driving in parking lots, the better.

Again, to your original point, it’s a particularly good place to start as you can allow the false positives in the name of a strict collision safety regime.

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Post by daemonk »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #225
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Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

Perhaps I am not the target for your frustration. But I just like how it drives and its minimal interior. I like that I don't need to go to a gas station every week. And I actually like the touch screen. Everything else is just a nice to have for me.

Maybe you can give me examples of other cheaper cars that might have some of the same things I like. But I am pretty happy with my purchase. Do I think I am in some kind of religious group? I don't think so, but may be I am wrong.

This all feels like reactions I hear when I tell tech bros that I like Apple products. It just feels like people take this shit really seriously.

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Post by boznz »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #235
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I’m not a Tesla owner but it does seem to me that buying in to the company that has single handedly changed the landscape of electric vehicles is a pretty exciting notion. I’d be happier to have a vehicle built on seemingly better principles and support the company even if they’re not perfect. But then I use Linux even though it’s difficult at times because what I am using is more important than any specific flaws it…

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

ALL cars sold today are the opposite of the linux philosophy

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Post by xedeon »

clouddrover wrote: post #357
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> Really trying to understand but what is so different with a Tesla? Is it the Hype factor? The feeling to be in a religious group? If you are really trying to understand, why don't you test drive one? Only then will you truly know. Having owned a Model S (traded it in for a Model 3) and X. There is no way I will buy any other car. Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure and software…

> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure I think this is the wrong perspective. Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, and others are investing in common charging infrastructure through joint ventures such as Ionity ( https://ionity.eu/en/about.html ). Ionity is available to all EVs that can charge via CCS (which includes Teslas). ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their mak…

If you're not aware, Tesla since the beginning has offered other legacy auto manufacturers unfettered access to the supercharger network if they agree to shoulder the cost. Not a SINGLE one took them up on the offer!

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supe...

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Post by zaroth »

riantogo wrote: post #289

Great non-driving features.Not going to complain about Tesla making my car continuously better, but I was hoping to see, "Autopilot now does more".

It’s strange they don’t highlight many of the driving improvements. AutoPilot has definitely improved, and particularly visualizations of the AP state-of-world are significantly richer.

They are presently testing red-light detection in shadow mode on the whole AP2/3 fleet, for example.

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Post by bobsil1 »

greglindahl wrote: post #334
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The powertrain is more powerful and more efficient than any other in its class. A lot of people don't care about paint or trivial fit 'n finish stuff.

Different people care about different things. If Tesla gets 0% of the "we care most about fit and finish" market, that's fine at Tesla's current market share.

Tesla's clearly an internals/advance core tech co vs. a design/polish co., because of Elon's personality (like most entrepreneurs), and so still attracts earlier adopters.

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Post by bobsil1 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #269
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Does it steer and lane center in general, besides when you drift out of lane?

Current cars that have lane centering and steering at all speeds: * All Acura models * All Audi models * BMW 5/6/7/X3/X4 * Cadillac CT6 * Ford Edge * All Honda models (mostly at higher speed) * ... and so on. Source: https://www.cars.com/articles/which-cars-have-self-driving-f... This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered,…

Acura LKAS ≠ autosteer. LKAS turns itself off after 15-45 secs.

The question was genuine, not dismissive, as I haven't heard of many autosteer systems in production cars. There are a handful AFAIK.

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Post by radium3d »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Tesla 3 owner here. Beyond tapping up / down temperature arrows I don't ever need to touch my A/C settings and it remembers my settings when I pick my profile (and soon it will recognize me automatically) so I think it's less annoying than analog setup personally.
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