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Post by scarface74 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #369
scarface74 wrote: post #30

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I wouldn't pay $600 for the 32GB upgrade from Apple. I would buy the 8GB configuration from Apple that would take the price down to $1899 and buy 3rd party RAM. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/imac-2019-27-inch I refuse to use Slack or Outlook on my computer. I keep them both running on my phone.

Except the RAM is soldered on their laptops. It's company provided so I rather not argue against a laptop, plus I am effective in using it anyway. I wish I could buy 3rd party RAM for a MacBook Pro unless they finally stopped soldering on the RAM recently, then I would love to buy a new MBP with my own cash if I can get a normal keyboard.

The 13 inch comes with 8GB and only support 16GB - a $200 upgrade. The 15 inch comes with 16GB and only supports up to 32GB - a $400 upgrade.

You would probably only save up to $200 on third party memory. Which is not nothing but if you get a 15 inch you’re already talking about $2400

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Post by newscracker »

tlavoie wrote: post #362
xenospn wrote: post #137

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I’ve been using my 2013 MBP every day since it came out, through my previous startup, an acquisition, and now my new startup. It’s been perfect, except for the fact that it only has 8GB of ram, and cannot be upgraded.

Meh. After one too many failures, my upgrade is a Thinkpad "mobile workstation" running Linux. Awesome keyboard, great battery, and room inside for me (!) to install the SSD from my dead, also-2013 MBP. Came with 16GB, and still has three more sockets waiting for more if I need it.

Which Thinkpad model is this, exactly?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

scarface74 wrote: post #371
giancarlostoro wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the RAM is soldered on their laptops. It's company provided so I rather not argue against a laptop, plus I am effective in using it anyway. I wish I could buy 3rd party RAM for a MacBook Pro unless they finally stopped soldering on the RAM recently, then I would love to buy a new MBP with my own cash if I can get a normal keyboard.

The 13 inch comes with 8GB and only support 16GB - a $200 upgrade. The 15 inch comes with 16GB and only supports up to 32GB - a $400 upgrade. You would probably only save up to $200 on third party memory. Which is not nothing but if you get a 15 inch you’re already talking about $2400

I think I get what you're saying, so you rather get the 8GB model and add on a 8GB RAM stick? For a total of 16GB and a few hundred bucks saved, cause afaik they solder all RAM. I'm all for putting new RAM on a laptop, but unsoldering RAM sounds like too much effort to me.

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Post by scarface74 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #373
scarface74 wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 13 inch comes with 8GB and only support 16GB - a $200 upgrade. The 15 inch comes with 16GB and only supports up to 32GB - a $400 upgrade. You would probably only save up to $200 on third party memory. Which is not nothing but if you get a 15 inch you’re already talking about $2400

I think I get what you're saying, so you rather get the 8GB model and add on a 8GB RAM stick? For a total of 16GB and a few hundred bucks saved, cause afaik they solder all RAM. I'm all for putting new RAM on a laptop, but unsoldering RAM sounds like too much effort to me.

No I’m saying if hypothetically the RAM wasn’t soldered onto to the 13” MacBookPro and you could buy third party RAM, you wouldn’t save “a few hundred bucks”. The maximum ram that It can handle is 16GB and that’s $200. Just taking a cursory look, you could save maybe $150. Which is not nothing but you’re already willing to spend Apple prices on a MacBook Pro, I can’t see how $150 in savings would be the deciding factor.

On the other hand, the price delta between Apple prices for the 16GB -> 32GB upgrade is about $250 more for the 15 inch than you could get from a third party if that were an option but you’re already spending at least $2400 on a 15 inch MacBook Pro.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m arguing hypothetically. I’m not spending my own money for an expensive laptop. I don’t need portability for my personal computer. I need portability for my work computer and a job will give you a work computer - and hopefully one that is beefy enough to do what you need.

My personal development computer will always be a desktop. You get more bang for your buck and I hate developing on just a laptop without external peripherals anyway. I’ve never been interested in Apple laptops enough to spend my own money over just getting a much cheaper mid range Dell when I needed the portability.

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Post by [deleted] »

swerner wrote: post #156
cromwellian wrote: post #153

I'm wondering why you need so much power in 1 machine for DCC work. Wouldn't it be better to have a relatively cheap model, and when you need to Render, to farm it out to a cluster of computers? For example, they claim the beefiest model will be 4x the old Mac Pro. But at what cost? $10,000-15,000 for maxed out system? How many cheap PC renderfarm computers can I get for that? How many cloud rendering instances could…

Remember the joke of “never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of hard drives”? That’s the render farm. Throw a ton of work at it, and it’ll get done faster than a big single machine could. What would have taken a week now takes a day. The Mac Pro in our analogy is 5G wireless: not nearly as much bandwidth as the 747, but at much lower latency. Lots of interactive/real time applications are possible that in a…

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Post by rotrux »

rotrux wrote: post #175

Gotta love posts with more comments than votes. Steve Jobbs was a visionary tyrant who miraculously knew all this shit. They better be listening.

I can't figure out how to delete this. Pretend I didn't say it.

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Post by michaelmrose »

scarface74 wrote: post #324
analognoise wrote: post #316

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The 6k config comes with dual Xeons? That might not be a bad deal. I thought that was the base configuration, with dual processors available as an upgrade. It says "up to 28 cores".

The base just says “8 core”. How many cores are per per processor? But the point remains - with the specs that he quoted, unless he thinks that upgrading to 96GB of RAM and matching the core count is going to be more than $4000. What point is he trying to prove?

Logically the 8 core option is a single cpu with 8 cores as 2x4 would cost more.

I think the point being made is that apple is and was overpriced. What you could have bought for 10k from apple when user actually purchased his computer would have been a joke by comparison.

New data doesn't lead user to change that assessment given that the $5k base model looks equivalent to a $1k->$2k pc.

You are comparing a pc you can't even buy yet to one that was purchased previously months prior in order to come to the conclusion that there doesn't exist a pricing disparity.

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Post by analognoise »

michaelmrose wrote: post #377
scarface74 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The base just says “8 core”. How many cores are per per processor? But the point remains - with the specs that he quoted, unless he thinks that upgrading to 96GB of RAM and matching the core count is going to be more than $4000. What point is he trying to prove?

Logically the 8 core option is a single cpu with 8 cores as 2x4 would cost more. I think the point being made is that apple is and was overpriced. What you could have bought for 10k from apple when user actually purchased his computer would have been a joke by comparison. New data doesn't lead user to change that assessment given that the $5k base model looks equivalent to a $1k->$2k pc. You are comparing a pc you ca…

They're charging $999 for a stand. I think that assumption is safe.

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Post by imagetic »

scarface74 wrote: post #367
imagetic wrote: post #327

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This is true, it's a hard comparison / wish because it's actually a different motherboard. But if Apple wants something, they can typically figure out how to get it. Based on my years working in media, there is a much larger market for a well priced mid-range Mac Pro than the "you're only a pro if you can afford it" level workstation.

A lot of posters here are saying that the software is available on Windows so it is an alternative. But, the automation story is much better on the Mac. There are a lot of professionals who will demand a Mac. Companies are not going to skimp on hardware to save a couple of grand. They will grit their teethe and by an iMac Pro or a Mac Pro. The submission is about “Apple listening” while that’s one guy’s opinion, Appl…

They said that about the trash can, and it couldn't do any of the things they marketed it towards. Unless Apple called Michael Bay for his advice and they're trying to render the next bumble bee unfolding from their home studio. Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked about the expandability of the Mac Pro. But they priced out their largest audience.

An 8-Core E5 with a $200 GPU at $6k skips over the largest part of the Mac Pro market?

Back in 2006 an Avid editing station came out to something crazy, like $50k if I recall but far more than I could afford, but you could go buy a Mac Pro and Final Cut for $3200 and start editing a movie or tv show without any of the industry standard tools that nobody could afford. And that machine could grow with you for years. I was still using the 2006 Mac Pro in 2015 until we just had to retire them for ports like USB 3.0 to save time.

Granted, you can do complex edits on a MacBook Pro now. Things have changed a ton. I'm just failing to understand why Apple Priced out the majority of people who owned the Mac Pro tower.

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