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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by plorkyeran » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:30 AM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #341

seangrant wrote: post #331

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Rule-based ad blocking limited to 30k, as stated in the article. That's why people are upset.

It has the advantage of being faster, with the disadvantage of being less dynamic. Existing rule lists will need to be slimmed down. That's not necessarily a bad thing, because all they ever do is grow without being pruned of old rules. It seems to me people are upset because they read the title and misinterpreted it to me that adblocking as a whole is going away. But to be fair, even the article itself does a poor j…

Google has not shared any actual evidence that there's a performance gain to be had. Non-google benchmarks of uBO show it not being a performance problem in the first place, so there simply isn't much room to be faster than it.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by tamrix » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:30 AM UTC

irrational wrote: post #85

I don't get it. I've used Firefox and Chrome for years. Firefox is easily as good and capable as Chrome. The barrier to switch from Chrome to Firefox is almost non-existent. Is Google counting on the majority of people not being knowledgeable enough or motivated enough to switch browsers?

From my experience, it seems that those who used the Internet in it's earlier years before and around Firefox 2 dominating the scene, have a much, much easier time going back to using Firefox again. Whereas those that first jumped online with Chrome was dominated, simply will never switch.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by sekasi » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:32 AM UTC

How is the FireFox experience on OSX these days compared to Safari? This is 100% a nail in the Chrome coffin for me.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:32 AM UTC

Gustomaximus wrote: post #358

anonymous5133 wrote: post #343

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If google moves forward with this we should all start randomly clicking on ads until advertisers start to realize that they're basically throwing their money away on advertising that doesn't work :) Let's hit 'em where it hurts.

It would be I interesting to make this into an extension. That said it probably wouldn't change marketing budgets, just what people pay CPC/CPM etc to offset the percentage of users doing this.

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Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by finder83 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:36 AM UTC

johannkokos wrote: post #315

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I just switched to Firefox today after a few years hiatus, and I agree that it is hugely improved, and rendering speed is at least on part with Chrome if not faster. They've done a great job with it, and the dev tools seem greatly improved in the developer edition as well. The issue I have with firefox on both Linux and Windows is not speed, but stability. I think it's the process model. Windows freeze if I open too…

How many tabs do you consider to be too many tabs? Most of the time I open up to 10 tabs, and Firefox is performing fine. But I have also seen people opening 40 tabs.

More like 40. I usually try to run < 10, but sometimes it gets out of hand...I tend to have multiple "tasks" of research going on at the same time. Like if I start researching at home at night I'll sometimes leave it open through a whole workday until I can return to it at night. Then multiple things at work, etc. So yeah...probably my browsing habits that may need to change.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by latortuga » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:38 AM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #328

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

I did give Firefox a _serious_ exclusive try for the past two months. It's terrible for heavy websites. Clickup, PivotalTracker, JIRA, Zeplin - the browser just chokes on these sites and get janky. On Chrome they are butter smooth. I don't know what to do. I want to use anything other than Chrome, but I also want a sane workday and not have the browser jank my day up constantly. I would use Brave but they don't have…

This has got to be some bullshit shilling. I use all those sites all day every damn day with no problem in Firefox whatsoever.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by SquareWheel » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:39 AM UTC

unreal37 wrote: post #351

SquareWheel wrote: post #318

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Manifest V3 still supports ad blocking. I don't know why so many in this thread think it doesn't.

The article says that current ad blocking extensions stops the request from even being made to the ad server, while the new version of Chrome will remove the ability for a plug in to stop a web request. Seems like a pretty major change to me.

It is a major change. Manifest V3 works more like Safari's content blocking.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by kibwen » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:39 AM UTC

philliphaydon wrote: post #333

johannkokos wrote: post #315

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How many tabs do you consider to be too many tabs? Most of the time I open up to 10 tabs, and Firefox is performing fine. But I have also seen people opening 40 tabs.

At home I have like 60+ tabs open. And at work I have > 100. Firefox is pretty rock solid now with many tabs on windows. Chrome can’t cope with that. Or it couldn’t a year ago when I switched to Firefox. The tabs are mostly blogs and things I’m slowly reading or such. I just open more than I close :(

I sometimes have hundreds of tabs open (Firefox on Windows), and a feature that I'll leverage if things start chugging is that, upon starting, Firefox will only load the contents of a tab if you put focus on the tab. So if I open a ludicrous number of tabs, I can quickly restart Firefox (just timed it; took six seconds) and all the tabs but the one that last had focus will be unloaded. I believe they're working on making this more automatic by actively unloading tabs if certain criteria have been met, but no convenient heuristic here is ever going to be as outright effective as this. As a tab addict, I can live with it. :P

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Post by A2017U1 » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:40 AM UTC

voldacar wrote: post #204

marktangotango wrote: post #167

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Can you elaborate on what this is and why you think it’s so great?

Ungoogled Chromium is Chromium with all google domains and google-specific code removed. It keeps the nice things about Chrome/Chromium like the dev tools and is compatible with Chrome extentions, though you do have to download and install them manually. Unlike Chrome, it is also 100% open source.

How timely are updates? Would be my main concern here.

Re: Google to restrict modern ad blocking Chrome extensions to enterprise users

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Post by kibwen » Thu, May 30, 2019, 2:42 AM UTC

esturk wrote: post #311

ravenstine wrote: post #269

Slightly off topic, I'm finding it very disingenuous that people in this thread(and any other threads that come up about Firefox) have actually had significant performance issues with Firefox. No bugs that are noteworthy, sans that fiasco with the expired certificate that disabled addons briefly. I've been using Firefox since "quantum" on both my MacBooks(one of which is old AF) and on Linux. I've yet to have problem…

My issue with Firefox is essentially one bug where they refuse to fix. In private mode, previously closed tabs are, for some reasons, restorable. This doesn't happen for Safari or Chrome.

I thought there was some kind of time limit after which closed private tabs are no longer restorable? I'd prefer that to immediately losing the closed tab, if the time limit is reasonable (say, 30 seconds).