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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #287
Rexxar wrote: post #109

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No. There is a lot of reasons to criticize Microsoft but they keep their services/apis alive longer than any other company.

Plays for Sure But generally speaking I don't disagree with your assessment. It's just that media for hire was never really their strong suit and the Zune was a bit of a joke. Where they must have suffered a world of pain is to keep old software compatible on newer Windows versions and I actually appreciate that.

> the Zune was a bit of a joke

Spoken like someone who never owned one. The hardware (built by Toshiba) was excellent as was the software - if you avoided the harebrained DRM scheme and loaded your own MP3s.

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Post by tiredyam »

LilBytes wrote: post #203
mirimir wrote: post #162

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Use a VPN in a private VM.

Use a VPN in a private VM so you can use Google and get decent search results? Is your response satire? I want to believe it is.

It’s not, I do something similar. Google results are just that much better for certain content I have found

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Post by pferde »

Nullabillity wrote: post #303
hedora wrote: post #183

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Or, duck duck go with the g! prefix, if you really must use google with bubbling turned off (instead of a reasonable alternative).

DDG isn't magic. It doesn't bubble you on its own results (or at least it claims not to), but it can't change how external providers behave.

Sadly, in this day and age, a good, usable search engine that does not enclose you into your own bubble is magic.

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Post by mcny »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #363
pm90 wrote: post #196

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> If you build on someone else's platform, But isn't that the height of specialization? What does a platform mean anyways if its only used for one thing and not by others? It it somewhat unfortunate that things like this make it abundantly clear that such a reality is not possible.

Platform is nothing but a sales&marketing word. It means whatever the owner wants it to.

Google positions angular as a platform.

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Post by krisgenre »

_jal wrote: post #114
dotBen wrote: post #29

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Yup, they just did a Twitter. I lived through the Twitter ecosystem collapse and now I'm a VC I worry about investing in startups that are built on any large ecosystem where there isn't an alignment of clear economic interest. Google of all people doing this just made it tougher for everyone else to maintain confidence in large vendor platforms.

If you build on someone else's platform, the best case is you get to be a sharecropper and can make money as long as you don't make so much that your platform-betters get jealous. The more typical case is this, where you get to spend your time and money doing real-world R&D and discovery of what works for them, for free. If you're going to dance with a vampire, don't be surprised when it bites you.

One way or the other aren't most of us building for someone else's platform anyway?. Mobile, desktop, browser...

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Post by marcodave »

mirimir wrote: post #162
hyeonwho4 wrote: post #111

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It feels like Google search is already curated. At home I cannot find academic articles which appeared in the search at work, because my girlfriend trained the home's recommendation engine on searches for cute cat pictures and domestic things. In DuckDuckGo, at least I know I will be able to find the same results for the same search terms no matter where I am.

Use a VPN in a private VM.

Or, you know, you can just create a separate user in the OS. Or even just create a separate browser user profile (for Chrome, Firefox has it as well)

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Post by Krasnol »

tiredyam wrote: post #365
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #356

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sorry, I thought I was clear in suggesting it as a law - although realistically in a lot of EU countries you could make the case and get it returned. For example I'm in Denmark and we have a consumer ombudsmand were you can make complaints about violations of your rights as a consumer https://www.consumerombudsman.dk/about-us/ (it talks about marketing but I the Nest was marketed to have functionality it no longer ha…

This law would end up hurting the upstarts. Alternatives should be made and the consumer should be picking winners with their dollar.

Or, they could build it in a way where it can be modified (for self hosting for example) in the first place.

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Post by nikbackm »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #317
telltruth wrote: post #305

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At Google, no one wants to work on existing things. You must create new product/feature to get promoted. Then you move on and thing gets shutdown. This is direct consequences of their internal incentive structure.

I heard that’s how PowerShell came in existence. Nobody wanted to improve conhost.

It's not really possible to substantially improve either conhost or cmd due to backwards compatibility considerations.

The risk of breaking something for someone is just too high.

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Post by m0nty »

tiredyam wrote: post #370
mcv wrote: post #342

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I agree. I used to be a fan. They were explicitly not evil, gave lots of open source stuff away for free, made lots of other free services. Turns out they were just making us dependent on them, and now that they've got us, they do whatever they want. We need to make ourselves less dependent on Google. Move away from GMail, use Firefox, DuckDuckGo, OSM, federated social networks, etc. I don't have a good replacement f…

god I tried. DuckDuckGo just does not work as well as it needs to. It gets touted as a turn key google search replacement but it’s simply not. 4 times today, I searched 5+ different ways for something after poor results, each thing took one search to find on google. Granted, maybe I am just more familiar with how to get the most out of googles search, maybe it has such a vast profile on me that it understands what I…

You can use the !SP operator before your DDG search to invoke StartPage, which uses Google results. I mean, it's the same thing, just it doesn't look like you're using Google search ;)
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