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Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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>Studies do send telemetry which is not quite the same as being spyware. How is software whose sole purpose is to send my information to a third party not spyware? >The "remote code execution" thing is already there, it is called JavaScript. Almost every browser has it. Add-ons use it all the time. JS on any webpage can't do whatever it wants, since it's restrained to the webpage itself. otoh I'm sure this "studies"…

They cannot, the studies use JS available to the browser though with internal APIs available. It is potent, but not quite as much as to allow running arbitrary executables outside the browser or usually bypass file system level protection. It can read and write files the user can access. (Which may or may not include /dev on *nix.) It can also exploit your OpenGL driver. The difference between spyware and telemetry i…

Sounds like you're arguing against a very specific meaning of the term "spyware". One that I'm unfamiliar with. It's not even the historical meaning of the term. I remember when it used to mean any application that "phones home" for any reason whatsoever--when apps ran locally.

It's pretty clear what they are worried about. That's not really arguing in good faith. And "intent" has nothing to do with it--also there is no singular intent from an organisation, if it goes wrong it's just stuff that happened but nobody to point a finger at whose intent it was.

Also, anonymization measures are a joke. It just shows an "intent" to anonymize. But when it turns out that the data is in fact easily de-anonymized somewhere between the browser and the aggregation unit, or in combination with the newest "opt in" monitoring feature, again no fingers to point and your only recourse is better having been safe than sorry.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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post #112

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Yeah, this also worked for me on Android. Not sure why the downvotes.

You're better off waiting a few more hours that disabling important security features.

My add-ons are more important security features, that are needed right now, whereas the signing thing only protects when you install a new add-on from an unreliable source. (EDIT: it actually only applies for add-ons installed from the Mozilla add-on store website ... silly me for trusting that place)

Come to think of it, why did my add-ons get disabled, given that they already had been checked against the signing key when they got installed? Why is this (literally, it seems) being checked constantly instead of only when something about the add-ons changes?

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Good move, congrats on surviving the second armag-add-on finally BUT I won't be moving from chromium until Firefox (or Mozilla) explains: - why am I opted-in to a Studies program in Firefox's default state? (With no explicit information about what it is) - what does app.normandy.enabled switch do and why is its default value is True and doesn't change to false when I explicitly state I don't want to be in the Studies…

> why am I opted-in to a Studies program in Firefox's default state? (With no explicit information about what it is) I came here to mention exactly this. I don't mind the certificate issue (as long as there is a post mortem and they learn something from it). I was wondering how my addons came back automatically (without me having to upgrade to 66.0.4) and I found out about this studies thing, which I never consented…

>what browser am I supposed to use from now on? Lynx?

w3m is a pretty fun terminal based browser with modern enhancements

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Their departure where? Considering the group in question I can't imagine them wanting to switch to Chromium or Opera.

Where do you see issues with Brave or Vivaldi?

Uses Blink and therefore dependent on Google for security updates.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Who's fault is that, at the end of the day? Mozilla didn't have to structure their addon system in such a way that their (in)actions could disable the addons of every Firefox user on the planet . Mozilla did not have to abuse the studies mechanism (also on by default) to ship a workaround. Mozilla did not have to disable the option that would let me work around this problem by myself (which is going to cause me no en…

Mozilla does not "hate" its users. This comment is way too emotional and dogmatic. Firefox is not above reproach but the presentation of your message leaves a lot to be desired.

So why do they ignore their feedback at every step? Why do they continue taking anti-user moves seemingly at every opportunity when there's a choice?

If what we see here is how you think Mozilla treats its users well, I'd hate to see what it would take to get you to agree they treat them badly.

I see nothing but naked contempt. YMMV.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Web devs might want to use older versions to test their site in them.

Considering that firefox gets upwards 70% of the users onto the latest version within 4 weeks or so of a new release, I don't see the point, doubt chrome is an issue for this as well, only reason I can see to support ancient browsers is if you have intranet web apps that only function is IE6-IE10 and you need to be able to run it there as well

Ever consider that some users cannot afford to upgrade? There's a lot of homeless people around here who only have phones (no laptops), and they are very old. Many run android 2 still. You must support established standards, even old ones, to remain good to all users and avoid prioritizing services for the wealthy.

Otherwise, you're part of the problem.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Did this issue cause all add-on data to be wiped? After updating to 66.0.4, all of the containers I'd created with the multi-account containers add-on were gone and replaced with what appeared to be a default set of containers. I spent a lot of time setting that up—is there no way to get it all back if I don't have some sort of manual backup? And if not, what files do I need to manually back up to make sure I don't l…

This is the biggest reason I'm still using Firefox. Containers have totally changed my workflow, much preferred over Chrome profiles.

I wish they added more colour and icon support, there's open cases for it but they're not prioritised. If only I was a good enough developer..

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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I was already a bit mad at them for removing RSS support and claiming their proprietary service that's built in is an alternative, now their proprietary service keeps working (presumably, I didn't use it but it's not an addon so I doubt it's signed the same way) and I can't use the RSS addon. I know this was a mistake, but I can't help but be mad that their proprietary built in stuff effectively gets a free pass and…

I use containers too. I didn't loose any data after I enabled dev mode and added the extension back. Perhaps you removed the existing extension first and lost data that way?

To the best of my understanding, here's what happens.

* containers.json is reset to default

* if you have any non-default containers, they are lost

* the underlying data is still in IndexDB (??) but isn't connected to the custom containers that were wiped out

* if you're clever and can read the IndexDB (or wherever the data is, it's moved a few times) then you could probably rebuild your containers.json file

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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post #110

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Yeah, this also worked for me on Android. Not sure why the downvotes.

Probably because this workaround consists in deactivating add-on security.

Last I checked Firefox still gives at least a warning + confirmation dialog if you try to install an unsigned / improperly signed extension with xpinstall.signatures.required = false, no?
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