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Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Can you suggest free email provider with similar level of service which allows to use your own domain?

Does Google allow you to use your own domain for free? They removed the free GSuite tier a long time ago, and they've obscured some the options you could use to configure a similar setup in gmail. I'm not sure if it's still possible.

Not now. I happen to have old account so I could still use it for free, not sure for how long.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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I'm one of the PMs for Gmail and hang around HN quite a bit. This is my personal take, not an official reply. It's simply not true we have no incentive to fix this. Here are a few: Firstly, Gmail's success is entirely predicated on the health of the global email ecosystem. Gmail does not, inherently, have any network effects (unlike FB, messengers, any other comms tool of Gmail's scale). Email itself, of course has a…

Wow since you're so concerned and helpful, here's a tidbit: Everyone who has tried to run a personal mail server in past five years can't because of gmail.

how do you tell the difference between a personal mail server and a spammer?

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Fastmail [EDIT: Sorry, missed the 'free' in there. Guess you get what you pay for]

Fastmail isn’t free?

Used to be, but it's probably popular enough now that still offering free accounts without any way to profit off of them might be too burdensome.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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This may be a fair sentiment for an educational institution (you're not directly making money from email sending / hopefully admissions marketing doesn't have this problem), but as a candidate I'd be extremely concerned if a company I was going to work with A) couldn't deliver to gmail and B) held the view that it was everyone else's problem. As it is you're statistically leaving half the candidate pool at the door,…

> A biz that can't deliver to gmail is a terrible smell though. If anything, it means that teams are probably too independent and that there is no central approval process for things like sending emails. For example, a lot of companies use products like Greenhouse. I am sure this will send email from your domain on your behalf. If you don't know what you have to talk to the DNS administrators to add a bunch of TXT re…

> They blamed me and said that they weren't interested in a programmer that couldn't set up a mail server.

Tangent, but this kind of stuff is super annoying and probably happens far more often than anyone wants to admit. A few friends and I have been commiserating re the incompetence of potential employers who've rejected us because of their own misconfigured environments or fundamental misunderstandings of the systems they run. We had one interviewer close out a candidacy because the code sample "didn't run" on their interview's system -- the traceback showed he had a broken half-Py2/half-Py3 install.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Can you suggest free email provider with similar level of service which allows to use your own domain?

Free is not possible. Someone needs to pay for email, servers need to be repaired/replaced every few years, the power bill needs to be paid, someone needs to ensure that the latest exploit doesn't compromise the server. You are paying for your email, the only question is how. I use fastmail because the payment is direct: I give them a few bucks each month. With free email (gmail) the payment is not direct. They are d…

There are a lot of free services. Sure, they are getting money from someone, but small personal accounts often are free. Like they hook me on free account and then I recommend it or upgrade as I grow or just spread information about it. For example I never paid for DNS hosting. Currently I'm using Cloudflare for free.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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I live in Argentina. Few years back, an ex government official from the previous government was caught in the act of hiding 8 million dollars in a church. My partner's auncle was also an ex government official from the previous government. He was in charge of the country's office for regulation work in rural areas. Up to that point, he was a complete believer that the government he was part of, was there to really ch…

>Also, I think that right now companies like Google and FB should be treated and reasoned about like states. To think that they will not abuse their power in one way or the other - just like countries do - is also "a little" naive. That companies this big ought to be reasoned about just like Nation States is a very interesting idea.

Alternatively, we could reject the notion entirely and revive the antitrust movement. Centralized private power is just as, if not more, dangerous than centralized public power and we aught to have a discussion about whether nation-state size companies are really a desirable feature.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Break up Google/Alphabet. Way past time.

How would this fix delivery for gmail? Gmail will be the same monolith it is today.

It wouldn't necessarily, but Google doesn't really provide help to customers who pay for services with their attention and data, largely because they have a substantial enough market position that they don't have to worry about losing their customer base.

Breaking them up would be a remedy to the general attitude that big, concentrated companies often develop toward the average consumer.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Can you suggest free email provider with similar level of service which allows to use your own domain?

Why free? Do you not pay for your internet connection? Water/electricity? A good email service is one worth paying for.

I'm hosting my mail on $1 VPS right now. It's hard for me to justify paying more. I hate to setup that mail stuff, it's too tricky and takes a lot of time, but still not worth paying extra.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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I'm one of the PMs for Gmail and hang around HN quite a bit. This is my personal take, not an official reply. It's simply not true we have no incentive to fix this. Here are a few: Firstly, Gmail's success is entirely predicated on the health of the global email ecosystem. Gmail does not, inherently, have any network effects (unlike FB, messengers, any other comms tool of Gmail's scale). Email itself, of course has a…

I appreciate the response. From someone who has operated a mail server since 2002, it comes across that Gmail does not care about cooperating with small but legitimate mail servers. SPF, DKIM, reverse DNS, no blacklists, no open relay, longtime ownership of IPs, etc etc. Using various mail testers returns a 10/10 deliverability score. And yet, messages sent to Gmail always go into the spam folder, or are never delive…

Normally I wouldn't +1 a message because it doesn't really seem to add much to the message. But in this case I will (even though it might earn me ire from some). If I could highlight the parent in bold I would. I've run mail servers since the mid 90's and the experience above exactly mirrors my experience. And my takeaway is the same, GMail just doesn't seem to care. I understand that GMail can't give away too much info on why a particular email ghosted (opsec and all that) but GMail doesn't need to do a better job of explaining to postmasters what good actors can do to avoid being ghosted, and more importantly have that reflect actual real life experience.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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I'm one of the PMs for Gmail and hang around HN quite a bit. This is my personal take, not an official reply. It's simply not true we have no incentive to fix this. Here are a few: Firstly, Gmail's success is entirely predicated on the health of the global email ecosystem. Gmail does not, inherently, have any network effects (unlike FB, messengers, any other comms tool of Gmail's scale). Email itself, of course has a…

> Gmail does not, inherently, have any network effects This is wrong. The current situation is "if you want to reliably contact gmail users you need a gmail address". This is no different than Facebook or messengers. And that may actually be the incentive for Gmail being such a bad player compared to everybody else.

Also, AMP for Gmail only works in Gmail.

https://www.blog.google/products/g-suite/bringing-power-amp-...

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