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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

manigandham wrote: post #361
18pfsmt wrote: post #334

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Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)? If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.

We already have enough sleazy domain squatters holding names for years and trading for ridiculous prices. Instead of long ownerships, we should have some way to prove you're actually using the domain after a certain number of years.

Think about how you could possibly design such a program to ensure use, and how you'd prevent parking site services from cropping up that would make a site just meet the requirements for continuing registration. And if it's not a purely automated process, then the base registration price would have to go way up to pay for all the human work going into validations.

And now imagine the public outcry that can happen every time people have their domains taken from them (rightly or wrongly).

No, no registry wants to be in the business of doing that. You continue to pay for the name, it's yours.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by icelancer »

bambax wrote: post #261

All of those new gTLDs are pure racketeering. Sub-domains worked fine (and still do!) for testing or development purposes. Or even company-dev.com I fail to see what value there is in a .dev tld.

> I fail to see what value there is in a .dev tld.

Then don't buy one?

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by panarky »

toast0 wrote: post #304
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #288

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Along those lines, if Google decides I’m a bot or nefarious developer as seems to mistakenly happen on occasion judging from recent hacker news posts, will I then lose my domain name? Or at least access to it? At this point tying any major asset solely to a Google account feels risky.

I wouldn't lease the domain through Google domains. Use a different registrar --- if possible, one that you'll be able to trust. That registrar will work with the registry of the TLD, which would be google in this case, and has a much better chance of actually resolving issues than if you were a direct customer of Google Domains.

Now you have two entities who can fuck it up for you instead of just one.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

xg15 wrote: post #150
ameliaquining wrote: post #132

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My guess would be that this isn't primarily about the money (there are probably domains they could get more than $11,500 for), but rather about allocating the most in-demand domains in a way that reflects how badly people want them. A Dutch-auction-type thing like they're doing is a crude solution to this problem, but if they just went straight to GA too much valuable real estate would immediately be claimed by squat…

The squatters defense is a good point - however, this also seems to ensure that the megacorps get the best pieces before anybody else gets to choose. If defending against squatters is the top priority, they could also make it an application-driven process: Let people submit proposals about what they want to do with the domains along with a link to their organisation and have some group grant applications (preferably…

That kind of program, with us being in charge of deciding who gets each domain name, would be received extremely poorly. You can just imagine.

Domains would also be much more expensive, as there would need to be human evaluators in the loop for each domain name. The base price would likely need to be at least 10X higher to fund all this.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by lazyjones »

userbinator wrote: post #265
lazyjones wrote: post #243

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> I bet I could make those accordion sections work in all browsers going back to IE5 without much effort, and use nothing near 120KB of JS to do it. / tags with JS polyfill is all you'd need. https://caniuse.com/#search=summary

Your post shows the big difference in mentality that's partly responsible for why we see so many broken sites --- I haven't ever used those tags before and would just go for plain old DOM style manipulation with JS (which has been around for a very long time), whereas you started with something much newer and took backwards-compatibility as an afterthought to be added on. Your solution requires less initial effort (p…

My mentality is to make the website usable without JS for most people (with the reasonable effort of installing FF or Chrome at most), then use as simple and compatible JS as possible if needed. Thus, old-style DOM fiddling isn't the first choice - and if we're talking very old browsers, it was also tricky to get right due to all the incompatibilities.

Why you think something would be broken when a polyfill is used as fallback, I don't know.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by benologist »

panarky wrote: post #373
toast0 wrote: post #304

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I wouldn't lease the domain through Google domains. Use a different registrar --- if possible, one that you'll be able to trust. That registrar will work with the registry of the TLD, which would be google in this case, and has a much better chance of actually resolving issues than if you were a direct customer of Google Domains.

Now you have two entities who can fuck it up for you instead of just one.

While this is true there are very few reasons why a domain registrar will give you a lifetime ban let alone automatically do it for some perceived TOS crime, let alone refuse to tell you what your alleged misdeed was, let alone automatically reject evidence you submit to the contrary and keep your domains. Imagine the liability!?

Meanwhile someone got their Adsense account banned and in those cases Google refunds the allegedly fraudulent revenue to the advertisers and do not pay you the non-fraudulent revenue. The person who got banned went to court over it because it looked like Google schedules these things to maximize how much they could keep, Google fought for four years to conceal where the non-fraudulent revenue went and then settled for $11 million to keep that shrouded in mystery.

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/adsense-lawsuit/248135/

Note the nobody who will say what happens to your domains when your account is banned despite relevant Google personnel participating in this page, but they have time to detail how we're covered by ICANN if Google with $106+ billion in savings goes bankrupt in thousands of years...

They designed this awful system exactly the way they wanted it to work and they choose to keep it this way, everyone else should probably not use them for domains or web hosting in case yourself or someone associated with your account is irreversibly judged to have committed a TOS transgression somewhere within their empire.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by vntok »

nikanj wrote: post #367
deadmutex wrote: post #352

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It really depends on the product. E.g. if you buy Google Wifi, you can call them or chat with customer support, etc. If you need help with constructing a web search query, not so much. So, please do not over generalize or compare apples to oranges.

As a customer, I can't be expected to have a mental model of which Google services come with actual support, and which ones come with Google-it-yourself support. Comparing Google products to Google products should not be comparing apples to oranges. If Google is frustrated with customers assuming they don't support their products, maybe they should support all of their products, not just a select few.

Ask yourself "Do I pay for this Google product?" If the answer is yes, then the product comes with actual support.

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Post by heavyset_go »

bduerst wrote: post #297
ldiracdelta wrote: post #285

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If I register a domain, can google boot me off it at a later year if they don't like my politics? Or do I own the domain with the continuing option to re-register it or transfer to another domain registrar? Does google ultimately own the domains and simply lease them to me with no guaranteed option to continue?

That's a redundant question, because just about every registry can dictate what their TLDs can be used for. It's part of the design laid down by ICANN. - For Verisign with .com, they don't care if you're really a company or not. - With Minds & Machines and .law, they only want qualified lawyers, courts, legal schools, etc. using the TLD. Keep in mind that the registry and registrar are different things.

Google has a track record of being capricious with bans, whereas other companies do not.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by nanna »

manigandham wrote: post #361
18pfsmt wrote: post #334

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Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)? If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.

We already have enough sleazy domain squatters holding names for years and trading for ridiculous prices. Instead of long ownerships, we should have some way to prove you're actually using the domain after a certain number of years.

We should stop calling organisations who hog domains in order to accrue an exaggerated profit from them "domain squatters". A real "domain squatter" should be someone who employs the "domain hogger's" domain until the domain hogger decides to actually do something with it themselves.

We wouldn't need such a profusion of TLDs (most of which are awful: .dev is an exception) if real domain squatting was made feasible.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by judge2020 »

prepend wrote: post #358
hobs wrote: post #101

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Surprise! Pretty much every provider has a terms of service.

Which registrars have TOS that allow removal of customers based on values?

Every single one that says "we may terminate for any reason or no reason at all". Gab was kicked off of GoDaddy because of what they allow.
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