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Apple Lays Off 200 Employees from Autonomous Car Unit

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Re: Apple Lays Off 200 Employees from Autonomous Car Unit

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> Of late, Apple CEO Tim Cook has touted his company's initiatives in health as the key to its future growth. "I believe, if you zoom out into the future, and you look back, and you ask the question, "What was Apple's greatest contribution to mankind?" it will be about health," Make sense, they'd rather concentrate on health. There's an obvious inroad there with wearables.

I really doubt that Steve Jobs would have bet the company on that.

Re: Apple Lays Off 200 Employees from Autonomous Car Unit

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I'd like to point out that what he says here about autonomous vehicles and the limits of their sensors applies to humans too. It is just socially acceptable to drive in averse conditions with limited visibility, and if you hit another car, person or something else, you just blame it on the weather. It's not socially acceptable for an autonomous vehicle to just wing it in bad conditions. I find it curious that we are…

One of the biggest advantages humans have is that humans can take risks. We have agency . Computers cannot take risks; not because they cannot be programmed to take risks, but because they are programmed by huge corporations with massive, centralized liability. This is why level five autonomous cars will never exist. It's not a technical problem; it's a political one. Its easy for someone on hackernews to say "maybe…

This comment is way better than the article it comments.

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I must be pretty lucky. I've been using Apple products since the original iMac and the only problem I've ever had was when I dropped my phone on a rock and cracked the screen. Apple was great about replacing it for me too. Regarding CPUs, I'm personally much more interested in being able to run macOS on my computer, iOS on my phone, and tvOS on my TV and have them all work together in ways that make me happy. If Appl…

Why did you build a machine with 128GB of RAM and then not use it? Was there a specific task you built it for? Why didn't you just rent some instances from AWS?

Yes, I built it for a project I was working on. I planned to use the machine for development and maybe gaming afterward but kept going back to my laptop since it was easier to use. I hadn't really expected that to be the case, but that's how it turned out.

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I must be pretty lucky. I've been using Apple products since the original iMac and the only problem I've ever had was when I dropped my phone on a rock and cracked the screen. Apple was great about replacing it for me too. Regarding CPUs, I'm personally much more interested in being able to run macOS on my computer, iOS on my phone, and tvOS on my TV and have them all work together in ways that make me happy. If Appl…

> I must be pretty lucky. > [...] > It has a Threadripper 1950X processor, 128GB of RAM, and an Nvidia Titan V card in it. Yes, you are, you're rich. An Nvidia Titan V card on Amazon costs about $3k!

Sadly, yes, which makes the wastefulness of it sitting in the corner that much more poignant.

Re: Apple Lays Off 200 Employees from Autonomous Car Unit

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> Of late, Apple CEO Tim Cook has touted his company's initiatives in health as the key to its future growth. "I believe, if you zoom out into the future, and you look back, and you ask the question, "What was Apple's greatest contribution to mankind?" it will be about health," Make sense, they'd rather concentrate on health. There's an obvious inroad there with wearables.

I really doubt that Steve Jobs would have bet the company on that.

Maybe he would have.

If you visualize technology progressing through time, there is an obvious merging of human and machine. Computers were large, now they are so small, you leave your Air Pods in your ears for hours because you forget they are still in.

Imagine another 50 years. Computers will most certainly be seamlessly connected to us in some way.

Imagine a device that can read your mind and give you what you want before asking? What if you're more intelligent just because you buy a specific product? What about a device that is proven to lengthen your life just by using it?

Biological research and health are what's necessary to get there.

The interesting things happen at the intersections. Who could compete?

Steve seemed like a smart guy. Maybe if he saw things this way he would bet the company as you say.

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A automotive engineer isn't going to be much help on ios mac and phones.

You'd be surprised at how much of automotive development is just regular software engineering. Sure, the 5% of their skills that are automotive-specific aren't much use, but the rest of their skills are certainly useful - especially at Apple, who does actual close-to-the-metal coding.

Ok any software engineers want explain constant pressure and constant wear and which component of a cars drive train it applies to?

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I'd like to point out that what he says here about autonomous vehicles and the limits of their sensors applies to humans too. It is just socially acceptable to drive in averse conditions with limited visibility, and if you hit another car, person or something else, you just blame it on the weather. It's not socially acceptable for an autonomous vehicle to just wing it in bad conditions. I find it curious that we are…

> It is just socially acceptable to drive in averse conditions with limited visibility, and if you hit another car, person or something else, you just blame it on the weather. Where do you live where this is socially acceptable (the blame the weather part, not the drive in adverse conditions part)?

Denver for instance goes on accident alert during snow because there are so many minor, non-injury accidents. This means that police will not respond to your accident because there are so many and you self-report. There is obviously an error in the part of drivers given the conditions, but most of these would not have happened on dry pavement.

People on the internet love to say you shouldn't drive in inclement conditions, but this ignores reality. Not everyone is lucky enough to work from home. It has snowed 3 times in the last week in Denver. My wife works in healthcare. She has to show up for work unless it is a blizzard.

What are you going to if it is snowing hard with limited visibility when it's time to leave work? Sleep under your desk or deal with a miserable commute that takes 2-3x as long to get home?

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My list so far: Apple, Tesla, Buzzfeed, Verizon/Yahoo/CNBC, HuffPost, SpaceX Doesn't look like the layoffs will be ending soon either. If it was just one or two that would be one thing, but this is forming a pattern. What do all these companies know? I keep hearing word of a potential recession or downturn. Is anybody here more keyed in than myself and can provide an explanation?

without having read the article: layoffs in preparation of an economic downturn would be unusual, especially when it's R&D in a cash rich company I don't think there's a pattern, companies lay off and rehire people all the time due to changed goals and/or requirements

What if the economic downturn has already started and it's just that these specific companies are feeling the effects sooner than others?

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Against which you have to balance the risk of taking the NASA job, but not getting paid for a few weeks or months every year.

If you really want a 'NASA' job, your best bet is one of their subcontractors that do most of the actual engineering.

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Plenty of smart people are staying away thanks to the increasing costs to live in the Bay Area.

Against which you have to balance the risk of taking the NASA job, but not getting paid for a few weeks or months every year.

JPL is still at work during the current shutdown...
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