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Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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(as said in the other comment thread): you can delete many stock apps in iOS: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208094

If the default apps are restored after a factory reset then "deleting" a built-in app in iOS isn't really any different from disabling an Android system app.

Apple distinguishes between deleting apps and hiding them: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204221

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Wow, that's really small. Actually it's what phones used to be before 2007.

I got one off the kickstarter, and it's a neat little gadget. It hasn't fully replaced my main smartphone, but it's great for outdoors activities, or if I'm wearing an outfit without big pockets and don't want to carry a bag.

Did get another SIM or move the one from your phone into the Atom?

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Not defending Google's practices, but there is no double standard here. Apple's apps are also not removable in the iPhone.

Newer iOS does allow removing apps like Stocks, Weather, and Maps, although I don’t know if every trace is actually deleted. I just deleted the built in Mail app from my iPhone and it worked fine.

> Newer iOS does allow removing apps like Stocks, Weather, and Maps, although I don’t know if every trace is actually deleted.

The app is deleted, but the frameworks and system assets it relies on are not.

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> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

Laptops with preinstalled Windows also have a tremendous amount of crapware from various vendors. Trial versions of antivirus software, system "optimizing" apps, sometimes outright spyware too. Thankfully Mac users don't have to put up with this kind of consumer-hostile bullshit.

It used to be if you did the Windows installation yourself from a clean image from Microsoft, you didn't get crapware. With Windows 10 I can report this is no longer true. You get Candy Crush and all sorts of nonsense. I had a non-removable XBox app. I had to disable a lot of crap to get Windows 10 to perform well in a VM on one of my machines.

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> It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. I'm old enough to remember when this was standard. Before smartphones almost all cellphones were bought through carriers and came pre-loaded with a bunch of carrier crapware (often unremovable). One of the best things about the first iPhone was t…

for the longest time ios would have facebook\twitter in settings even if you uninstall it(still residual but mostly deleted and took miniscule space) but at least you could get rid of it within a few taps.

> for the longest time ios would have facebook\twitter in settings even if you uninstall it

Clarification: this was not the apps; these were system hooks for sharing content through these services.

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I would understand if the clock was connecting to a dedicated service to sync the time, but the clock app is just an interface where I can set alarms, use stopwatch etc. The system time is managed (and synced) at the Android OS level and so there is no need for apps to connect to the internet, nor for it to have updates. For the finder app, the index should be local. There is no way I want my apps, documents and file…

Your “time” example is unfortunately problematic. You need to sync time with something external to the device. If not over the Internet, you’d need to sync via the cell network or GPS or something similar. No getting around it. Component manufactuters have not solved clock drift yet. The other examples are reasonable.

> The system time is managed (and synced) at the Android OS level and so there is no need for apps to connect to the internet, nor for it to have updates.

I don't understand how this is "problematic". I'm fine with Android being able to use NTP; I'm not fine with a clock app having internet access because it should just pull the time from the system.

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Bloatware != preinstalled OS software. There are 0 preinstalled third-party apps on the iPhone.

iOS came with Facebook and Twitter not too long ago, not to mention Yahoo Weather, Google Maps, and a bunch of others. https://www.axios.com/apple-removes-facebook-and-twitter-int...

Those were system integration frameworks, specifically so you could sign in to your social networks in Settings. The apps were never preloaded.

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You can remove most of the non-essential apps like Music, iTunes Store, Maps, News. I consider Photos and essential app to the phone. But the push to iCloud could be annoying (I haven’t experienced it because I already have it). If I remember correctly, android phones come with a Gallery App for Photos and then additionally Google Photos. This was a few years ago, I’m not sure if it has changed. Whereas iPhones come…

Well, no, you can just hide the icon on the screen. That’s all that does, just like how you can ‘disable’ Facebook on the Samsung phones.

I don’t think that’s what it does.

When you redownload a now-deleted-preloaded app, it actually downloads it. You can see the progression in the App Store. Which makes me think that Apple actually removes the App package from the phone.

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This story (and from different outlets) is now all over the press, which is great. Can I add another qualm in a similar vein? It involves Samsung TV's. I'm convinced Samsung is increasingly mean. I only use streaming services (Netflix, et. al.), and for the past year I've been pretty pleased with "Smart TV" functionality, which makes life easy. That is, until the following happened. After a recent update, the TV: * N…

All of the above is why I don't use the smart features on my LG TV. webOS is nice, and there are apps for the services in my country, but I don't want my viewing experience held hostage by the whims of the manufacturer. Once they've made the TV, the only part they have to play in my continued usage of it is warranty repairs.

Fortunately, my Apple TV 4K also has the relevant apps for the services available in my country, and neither LG nor any other manufacturer whose TV I may decide to purchase in future can gain any telemetry or force any workflow on it.

The dedicated Netflix and Amazon Prime buttons on my remote never get a look in.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Google+ and ancillary Google spyware must be installed by default for playstore compatibility test suite to pass. Is that pure android? Bloat? Crapware? Or just plain shit?

Apple also ships with a bunch of their apps that I would classify as crapware but unlike on Android I can't replace them as defaults with 3rf party apps of my choosing.

These also happen to coincide with the apps that you can't delete from your device. Apple refuses to give third-party developers access to sensitive APIs, such as those relating to the Phone app or SMS, due to the potential for abuse.
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